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  1. In Topic: Dagger shoes#2

    24 June 2012 - 02:15 PM

    Know this is an old thread, but honestly, commenting on ANY thread on this forum would be necro-posting. And since this is a safety issue for whatever random reader finds this thread, I'll say it anyway.

    Depending how you play - hiking/hunting/army boots can be absolutely the worst choice for playing paintball. Depending on how you play.

    1. If you move slowly in the woods with heavy paint loads, or you're overweight and not going to run - high top boots are good. Because they're designed for slow deliberate movement over tough terrain.

    However -

    2. If you like to sprint ahead over rough terrain through the trees and stuff and you aren't too heavy - high top heavy boots are a terrible choice and will probably get you injured.

    Full leather hiking/hunting/combat boots are meant for guys carrying heavy loads that can cause one careless step to turn into a sprained ankle. Backpackers with 60 lb packs are good candidates. So are fat guys who aren't going to be running around much anyway. But when you try to play "dagger" or light rifle, or fast sprinter who seizes objectives first and carries a light rig for combat, then those heavy leather boots basically turn into a pair of immovable blocks that will give you serious ankle injuries. The thick soles prevent you from feeling the ground underneath you - which prevents your feet from making needed small adjustments to keep you stable. It's like strapping two blocks of wood to your feet. And when that boot rolls off a rock or a tree root, it's going to role and snap your entire ankle - HARD. You can seriously injure yourself this way.

    Worst sprain of my life was playing paintball at a scenario field and I tried to sprint wearing my heavy Asolo full-leather hiking boots. Took me out of the rest of the season and took four months to fully recover.

    So don't listen to some random guy who says "boots are the best" unless he can demonstrate why they are the best for him - find out how he plays and make observant and smart decisions.

    I'm a fast sprinter. I sprint off the starting horn and run full speed into the woods jumping logs and and that sort of stuff. Then I hide in the far flanks and try to sneak around people. I usually run a crappy little Trracer pump gun with a 50 round hopper, smaller CO2 tank, and maybe one small pod of refill ammo. I wear low top trail running shoes with good traction and flexibility. Rubber cleats could work good here too.

    But a big 200+ pound dude with a Tippman on remote line and six pods of paint is not going to want my shoe setup. He'll want to protect his ankles more for slow movement.

    I'm sure no one is reading this forum anymore. But on the off chance someone stumbles in here on a google search, I wanted to get out the safety announcement.
  2. In Topic: So you want to be a Dagger...

    15 March 2011 - 11:32 AM

    Well, I just had a mini scenario game in the woods last Saturday, and my Trracer worked great with no problems.

    But I'd say I've got a long way to go before I can say I'm effective with a pump gun. Still, I managed to usually tie up about 3 enemy players for at least five minutes or so every game, and generally make a nuisance of myself. Even if I couldn't seem to hit the broad side of a barn.

    You really do rely on that rapid fire to "walk" your shots into the enemy with semi-auto. Not having it with a pump gun made people a lot harder to hit. You had to pick your shots more carefully, and you just can't engage people at the same range you used to with semi-auto.
  3. In Topic: So you want to be a Dagger...

    05 March 2011 - 11:11 PM

    I've come to the conclusion that I'm pretty much going to be running my cheapo (but ridiculously reliable) 1990s Trracer Maverick pump gun all season this year. I just don't have the funds for playing semi-auto. It'll be the first time I've tried to match pump against semi-auto. Should be a learning experience.

    Well, at least a Dagger isn't hurt as bad by a limited ammo handicap as other positions.
  4. In Topic: So you want to be a Dagger...

    03 March 2011 - 12:17 PM

    Might as well get the whole thing about positions out of the way right up front.

    A lot of people diss on the SpecOps positions. And I kind of agree with them. One thing I learned in the first two years of playing woodsball is that you need to be flexible and do whatever the situation calls for. If you need to run, then run. If you need to lay down covering fire, then do that. Don't let some idea in your head of what position you are keep you from doing what is needed on the field.

    That said... I honestly like the SpecOps positions, just because they're fun. No other reason. So I have no problem with just referring to something as "Dagger" or "Broadsword" just out of convenience.

    [end disclaimer]

    OK, equipment....

    Agree on the mask. I have a Proto Switch with a thermal lens because that was the best mask I could afford that actually fit. I've got my eye on the Proto Pro Axis as my next upgrade, which is by all accounts, an excellent mask. Whatever you get, make sure it has a thermal lens, and budget enough to replace the lens every year or two depending on use.

    Dyes are good masks, the Sly Profit looks pretty good, and the JT Proflexs are nice and breathable too (but if you have hanging earlobes, just realize those ear guards aren't going to cover em). Really, it just depends on the shape of your face and head. I love the Proto line. But a guy with a different head is possibly going to not like them as much. Make sure to go to an actual pro-shop and try the mask on before buying. Things to look for are breathability, good foam, and possibly soft ears.

    And you have to get some anti-fog product for the lenses - especially if you wear glasses. And a headband to keep sweat from running all over the inside of your mask is essential. Mask fans are probably only for guys who have serious issues in this area.

    But if you can't see, you can't play.

    For shoes, I just bought some trail running shoes from Vasque and they're working great. I do trail running in the mountains near my house to stay in shape. Good traction and stability. I agree that these are the second most important piece of equipment after the mask. And if you're a Dagger, you'll want trail runners, not boots.

    Thing is though, this only applies to Dagger-style players who run a lot. I would never recommend the lighter shoes to an overweight guy with bad ankles. That guy should be careful on his feet, probably shouldn't be running all out to begin with, and will probably do better with something supporting his ankles.

    And even among fast runners, there is no one-size-fits-all. Everyone's feet are different. And the alignment of everyone's ankles is different. Different running shoes are built differently to compensate for a different set of ankles. If you get the wrong kind, it can actually be dangerous and increase risk of hurting yourself. For instance, Inov-8s are great shoes for the right person. But they are very different from other shoes, require a bit of special running technique, and only match up with certain runners. When I asked about them at our local running shoe store in Boulder, the salesman recommended against them for someone with my kind of foot alignment.

    Everything else in paintball you can borrow from a buddy. But mask and shoes, are unique to you and are not easily loaned out to you from someone else. And both are huge determiners of how comfortable and safe you are all day - which is the biggest factor in whether you are going to have any fun or not.

    After that, I'd say knee pads and/or pants that accommodate them. I'm pretty big on the safety gear before anything else - even before you actually have a gun (at least, if you have people you can borrow equipment from). I can't tell you how much better woodsball is with knee pads. I'd recommend some dedicated paintball knee pads, but if you can't afford that, head down to Home Depot or your local hardware store and get some knee pads there. I'd also recommend some gloves at this point and neck protector - because getting shot in either of those places is not fun.

    For gloves, let me just say that most of the dedicated paintball gloves I've seen are not that impressive. Work gloves at your local hardware store are usually better. I use some fingerless gloves from Wells Lamonte that I bought at Wal Mart for $9.00. For full finger gloves I have a pair of work gloves from Grease Monkey which are excellent. They're cheaper than the "paintball" stuff, and easier to get and replace. But if you're dead broke, just go to K-Mart and buy a crappy pair of cotton gardening gloves for $2.00 (or find them in your garage for free).

    After this, you want to look at a way to carry a couple paint pods. The cheapest way I've seen is a $9.00 3-pod holster from NxE. That's really all you need to start with. The thing doesn't have as much support as a fully padded pod pack or vest, but if you slide the carrier to your right or left hip, it won't bounce around as much. And anyway, you're not carrying much paint to begin with, so no big deal. You can upgrade to a full pod pack or vest later if it makes sense.

    After that, worry about your gun rig.

    When going for a gun, the most important purchases are the loader and an HPA tank (if you live in an area where you can get an HPA tank filled). A crappy gun with a good air tank and good loader on it will shoot a lot better than a top of the line gun with a gravity loader and a CO2 tank on it. So get those two items first.

    But honestly, you're not a Broadsword. So rate of fire isn't a big deal. Probably a bargain mid-range loader like the Viewloader Revy or Invert Reloader will be all you need. The Proto Primo loader looks like a tempting budget alternative for people who don't shoot too fast, but I don't have experience with that. HPA is a good idea just because you don't have to deal with liquid CO2 spikes, you don't freeze up your gun, and it has better consistency (in addition to being usable in the winter - which CO2 is not).

    Then get your gun. Priorities should be: 1) affordable; 2) reliable; 3) lightweight. And in that order. All other features are optional. Pump guns or pistols are highly encouraged if you think that would be fun. But if you're a newbie, you probably want to avoid pistols and pumps - since a lot of skill is involved in running that way, and you'll want some experience before deciding to take the plunge there. A pistol is something you should only switch to because the way you are CURRENTLY playing is calling for it. It's a decision better made as an experienced player than as a newb.

    After that comes stuff like jerseys, pants, slider shorts, elbow pads and the like.

    But don't buy so much equipment you don't have money for actually playing. Once you have a mask, shoes, knee pads, and a gun setup - paint and play fees are top priority. Till death do you part.
  5. In Topic: What should a new dagger buy?

    03 March 2011 - 08:33 AM

    OK, fair enough.

    I'll just start a new thread next time. I kind of figured that necroposting wasn't a big deal if no one else was doing anything with the forum.

    But in the interest of tidiness, I'll simply start a new topic next time.


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