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19 March 2010 - 12:19 PMi didnt spout my mouth off.
i said it LOOKED like an m14. he replied it was a carbine..
i said oh yeah...i forgot about it, and that the carbine became the m14. but of course i did word that wrong, saying it 'became' instead of 'led'. 'oh nos'...i used the wrong word.
i never did act like an expert.
i wasnt 100% wrong, my wording may not have been accurate to your godly bible of gun knowledge, so sorry for defying the king of all gun expertise.
...and here ya go again.....flaming it on even more.
19 March 2010 - 11:35 AM1) i never said the garand came from the springfield. i said it was a replacement in some aspects. the need was to get away from a bolt action and be able to fire more bullets.
2) it wasnt a SPIN. yes, my original post was worded wrong. the carbine did NOT turn into the m14. but it did lead to it by design. i should have explained myself better.
3) i admitted that the MECHANICS--GUTS are different, but said they took SOME ideas from the carbine, mainly its improvements of design and took that back with the best from the garand....through working out the issues with the carbine, they were able to use that same ideal and finally make a garand that could be clip fed, and throw a ton of lead down range. because up until it was perfected with the carbine, they could not get it to work with the garand, hence the en-bloc clip system being around for years.
4) in a way it is a family tree. many guns have evolved from one design or another, each company stealing or using the designs of other to improve their own gun. just like in paintball....
Garand+Carbine="their illegitimate son" the M14, which lead to the AR10 (with armalite creating several new designs to replace the standard garand in the fall of 1956), which was eventually evolved into the M16 when they got the contract.
5) i got the info from the history channel, via a military historian. so if my info is flawed, you can blame people who are paid to know.
6) thanks for turning a thread about a nice mod into an argument....
18 March 2010 - 06:38 PMi wasnt really talking about the caliber, or deep down specs..... i meant the arrangement of the gun, shape, setup, the basic design, the LAYOUT of it. kind of like in car design, how they get from one model to another with improvements.
the M1 Garand was a long heavy rifle. given to regular troops. but it ended up being to cumbersome for light fast moving specialist troops. plus the en-bloc clip was beginning to be considered slow.
then they made the M1 carbine with an improved clip design, yet smaller caliber, a bit shorter, lighter, and it was found most beneficial to paratroopers and the like, who needed a lighter faster smaller weapon.
next, they took the best from both guns, using the layout of the M1 Carbine, and the primary gut design of the Garand, and created the M14, notice the clip is now further forward like the carbine, they changed its handling, the center of weight. it was a merge of the two. they even tried to toss in some traits from the BAR, they tried full auto, which failed. look at the pictures of both....you see where they said "hey, we can take the idea of the garand and carbine and make this!" it was just a growth in advancements in the early days of creation for what was to become the assault rifle.
so although the guts of the garand are closer to the M14, the ideal behind how the gun was put together was from the carbine. the carbine led to change.
i just tend to look at things as they are created, not exact details. the springfield 03 bolt led to the garand, led to the carbine, the carbine led to the m14, the 14 to the 16........etc.....
think of it like a family tree, or evolution.
18 March 2010 - 06:12 PMya know that scene from 'A CHRISTMAS STORY' when Ralphie is dreaming about his teacher giving him the "A + + + +...." on his paper?
THIS IS WHERE THAT SCENE NEEDS PLAYED.
dude, that is sic...just awesome wicked killer sic.
since i do some airbrush work i kinda see the steps taken on that...very nice.
17 March 2010 - 03:39 PMWOO WOO WOO!......WOO WOO!
gonna make panzer AND d-day.
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