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25 March 2008 - 04:24 PMI have to go with PKJ. I think that there are more cheapters at "official" feilds.
People playing on "unofficial" feilds are instantly givin a bad rap. They must all be wipers and crank up there velocity. The best part about outlaw is that you can weed out the undesirables. You dont invite the people who wipe and shoot hot. Most outlaw players are players looking to have a good day of fun, without the cost.
Does safety take a backseat at the majority of outlaw feilds? Most of the time. Im here to tell you that EVERY game of paintball Ive ever played has been an outlaw game with unchrono'ed markers and no paid refs. Im also here to tell you that no one has ever walked away with an injury or seriously hurt because of those two facts. When it becomes obvious people are shooting hot we tell them to turn it down, and they do. The ones who dont get to play. Very rarely is there anyone that refuses to do soemthing like that. Nobody wants to see anyone get hurt. Its a fun game. Thats not going to change. People will continue to play that way regardless.
Now have there been times that I wished we chronoed? Yes. Ive taken some hits that left decent welts. But I think that happens at your "official" feilds too. If someone cheats there going to cheat whether its an official feild or not. In fact people are probably less apt to cheat at an outlaw feild, because they know that the next game they may be bunkered or peppered. Or even told they arnt welcome any more.
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You are correct in that cheaters are to be found everywhere. However this thread isn't about cheating/cheaters. It's evolved from discussing the difference between Outlaw, woods, and milsim play to a safety concern.
Yes, it's not possible to guarantee that everyone at any given field is playing with in safe chrono range. The issue is that in outlaw ball if there is NO chrono of any kind the level of safe shooting drops dramatically.
On a commercial field where everyone is expected to chrono you can be 90% certain everyone is shooting at a safe speed(cheaters and environmental issues fall in the other 10%). On an outlaw field you have no idea if anyone has their velocity set to a safe limit. While having a chrono at an outlaw game is no better a guarantee than at a commercial field it does give the truly honest players the ability to re-chrono after a barrel change, refill, temp increase or marker repair.
Even after all these years paintball still not viewed in a very good light by the media. There have been a couple of incidents with CO2 tanks unscrewing from their valves, there's the Youtube vid of the HPA tank breaking off it's mount and rocketing around the field injuring 2 and we have all these idiots out there doing drive-bys. There are religious nut jobs out there decrying paintball as a tool of the devil and selling bounce armor that is better at protecting your eyes than actual goggles and mask.
Yes it sucks that you can't really trust everyone now a-days. But is asking the outlaw community to increase their playing safely really that big of a problem?
PKJ I'm glad you and your grew chrono when you get your fills and paint and that you can trust them enough not to adjust their velocity. But how often do you end up with random walk-ons at your out law games? How often do people change their barrels throughout the day? How many use CO2 instead of HPA on a hot day?
No matter what kind of paintball you play safety should always be your number one priority.
we never ever have walk ons... EVER. the place we play at is super secret.... no lie... we just play with our friends nobody else.... we all stick with one barrel... again no lie... most of us are so damn poor that we only one barrel per marker... no need to change if you only have one right... and most of us use c02 but we dont play on uber hot days.... nobody can stand to play for long on a crazy hot day in KC... it gets a bit insaine... we mostly play evenings anyways... or at least did... we havent played in a very long time... but most of our crew was 3rd shift so we played much later in the day when it wasnt so hot... then we would all pile in our cars stinking of sweat and paint and go to work. (we mostly all worked at the same place) yeah i get that most outlaw players don't play this safe but we do... and again our pro shop was like 15 min away or so.... any problems and we went right there... also... most of the games played in that area are outlaw... not many fields very close by... and so much land that its just easier to outlaw then anything else... its a completely different thing there then most other places... i miss it SO MUCH! i really do hate organized fields... i dont find it much fun at all....
yeah like i said before... we play a bit hotter then most but nothing horrid.... nothing dangerous... ive gotten more damage on a "real" field then i have with my friends.... my friends respect a 20 foot rule at all times... we crono before every game and DO NOT turn up velocity. i trust my outlaw buddies more then i do the stupid kids on a field. i cant tell you how manytimes ive been over shot and shot within like 10 or less feet on a field. i also toldyou that i about broke my finger... that was on a "real" field. i have never walked away from outlaw in pain like i have from a "real" field. my friends play to have fun and can be trusted to keep there honer. we arent in it for the glory or the prizes or the points or money... we are in it to shot the poo out of each other and just have fun... ill take outlaw any day over some field.
ya same here the only people that play here are my family and relitives when the visit and my friend thats it we dont have any walk ons either.
25 March 2008 - 07:29 AMYeah, it's not like you guys have any shortage of land up there. Find yourself a cool spot to play at and post something on the Game Locater. Post fliers around campus and other places that are likely to have paintball players around. Have regular games every other week or so. When people start hearing about a woodsball game going on every other Saturday they might start to come out. It is far from perfect, but it might work out once in a while.
Oh...consider yourselves lucky to live up there. It's a really beautiful area around there. Yeah, the three hour drives to the next town really suck, but that's really not that bad, is it? When I was home on leave I took a drive around the U.P. I took US 2 west out of St. Ignace and followed that all the way to Crystal Falls I think. After that I went north towards the Porcupine Mountains and then drive up to Houghton/Hancock. I was planning on driving all the way up the peninsula but it was already dark by that time and I wouldn't be able to see the area. I was driving around just to see what the U.P. was like. It's been a while since I've done that. I was also looking for some sort of entertainment, but I ran out of luck. I drove south to Marquette and got there around 11:30 PM. I stopped by the casino east of town and dumped a few hundred dollars because it was fun to press the buttons on the slots. After sobering up a little I drove to Munising. I saw another casino at Christmas and stopped there too. I liked that one better. I spent some more money that I really didn't need and left there after an hour and a half. I was planning on getting some sleep, but I decided that I would try to make it back home in Onaway, 45 miles southeast of the bridge. My map showed a road that went out towards Grand Marais. I took that road and it turned into a snow-covered road that wound through the woods past the pictured rocks. After a while the road sign said that the road turned north. All I saw was a snowmobile trail. I could have kept heading straight onto what was now named Adam's Trail. I decided to get some sleep though. I pulled out my three-layer army sleeping bag and slept in my my truck. It got pretty cold, but I survived a harsh winter night. At 4:30 when I woke up I headed east down Adam's trail. After several miles someone felt like they didn't have to plow the road anymore. I figured I only had another three or four miles to go until I hit the highway. I had to back track about 17 miles to some small hamlet and take a small country road out to that long highway that goes through the Sceney Wilderness Area. I drove towards St. Ignace and stopped at the Maple Ridge Restaurant where I had a nice hot breakfast. I made it back home around noon or so. It was a nice trip and I hope to do it again, this time with a kayak, a backpack, and a tent.
Well, now that my story is over, I figure I'll tell you that I saw a lot of spots where I'd like to play paintball someday.
ya sometimes it's a good thing to live in the middle of nowhere we can hunt right off are deck and nobody can hear us we target practice all the time to and you said you went to the porkies the you drove right by my house i live in silvercity. ya there all kinds of places to play up here.
19 March 2008 - 02:22 PMisnt the Tippyworldchallenge in michigan.
Yes, at the same field as MMG.... Hell Survivor's Inc.
ok thats what i was thinking.
19 March 2008 - 11:32 AMisnt the Tippyworldchallenge in michigan.
19 March 2008 - 10:09 AMIt could change depending on the marker and it's owner. Leaving a blow back cocked can cause the spring to weaken causing a change in the velocity. If you dismantle and clean the marker more/less lube can have an effect as well as adding new o-rings.
oh, does it really change that much by doing that. i could see 10 fps change in doing that but not much more.
If you chrono at 300fps and gain 10fps due to a weakened spring.... now and another 15 for lube.....
oh ok. well i see if i can get one if i had a job i could get one but i dont have one. i might have to borrow co2 or paint or something.