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28 March 2008 - 05:47 AMTo bravo4579:
Police are there to patrol an entire community. Refs are there to patrol a field. One cop for 8 blocks of houses, two refs for half an acre of field. I think your scale is a little off there, Bravo. The police are called to respond to something, the refs are there to prevent something (run-by's, hot markers, etc.) While a police officer can't see more than a block of community at once, a pair of refs (ideally) can see most of the field at all times. A good ref will be there to do more than just respond to paintchecks (which some don't even do), they will also prevent problems for both the players and the field. I'd hate to see the refs you've had to deal with to hold them to such low standards, Bravo.
Ah, Nyxx! Did Mario inform you I threw your name around? Thank you for clarifying your job title. We were misinformed.
26 March 2008 - 08:58 PMWell, that's cool. I'll keep a look out for you guys, thanks.
It's funny, I don't even remember what team I'm on. I called to register the other day and was told a) one team is twice as large as the other, b ) that my friends and I were going to be put on the smaller team, and c) they should be evened out by the day of the game. It's like when I'm playing Call of Duty 4, I don't care what team I'm on as long as I'm playing. Auto-balance away.
24 March 2008 - 05:32 AMI disagree with (at least) your last argument, Bravo. It is up to the players to speak up, yes, but they are not the authority figures on field. The refs are. My reffing strategy was to assume the players did not know what was going on at all. Therefore, I had to be mindful of what as many players I could see were doing. If I saw something going on that wasn't supposed to be, we (more than one ref) would investigate. If a player reported something going on that wasn't supposed to be, we would investigate. If what was seen or reported was actually happening, we would blow our whistles to stop the game immediately, radio in the problem to the field manager, and bring everyone back to the staging area. Back at the staging area the field manager would get involved (a man you wouldn't want to mess with) and a resolution would be worked out. If it was assault charge worthy (frozen paintballs, reballs, etc.) the police would be called. All that time, though, we were the ones who had to be mindful of the game, responsible for rules enforcement, and in charge of the proceedings. A player cannot run into a firefight to open a hopper, a player cannot pull another player out for cheating, a player cannot stop a game. Only a ref can. Yes, the players need to police themselves but can only make "citizens' arrest". It's up to the refs to enforce the rules and do the heavy lifting.
18 March 2008 - 10:25 AMAlright, a couple of things:
1) Someone please, please, PLEASE tell me that the Chrono Honors System is just a bad rumor!!! In the past I have experienced it (yeah, I used to play at Skirmish) and have actually chronoed myself but I chalked it up to lax refs. If the field has an honors system I will officially go nuts.
2) This is a quote from Tod Krieger from another post: "That is still alot of people. Besides what ref wants to be trained and work 1 weekend. They can only keep so many to work the rest of the year." This unfortunately is true. It's bad business for the field. But it's still a safety issue. I have been asked to referee by other Skirmish refs during scenario games. I am a former ref and gun tech from a prominent NY field (No, I will not say which one, I don't like the administration and they sure aren't paying me to advertise for them.) One of my former coworkers at my field actually used to ref at Skirmish if/when asked. To import referees from other nearby fields for these games is not such a bad idea. Whether or not they do, I don't know, it's been a while.
3) Is Karen still working there? I thought I read that Nyxx (spelling?) had taken up the job of ref manager. All you older players would know who Karen was. If she is still there, well, let's just say I don't like her.
4) I read in another post that girls win stuff for their boyfriends by stripping at the prize ceremony. I also looked up ION in Youtube and found mud wrestling. Wowee. If this is what Skirmish uses to lure people in to games, I'm disappointed. My girlfriend is also a former ref and plays. She comes with me to games. That means I get some at the end of the day instead of having to push through sweaty dudes just to see two girls getting each other dirty.
Sorry, that fourth one's a little low for me to say but the rest of my post is valid. If it's too low, I'll edit it out. But, to be fair, my girlfriend and I have dealt with Skirmish staff who were a little inhospitable and it has tainted our opinions of it for a very long time. It also didn't encourage us to get back into the sport after a couple years' hiatus (like, did you know they don't sell the Impulse anymore??? ) You would think that a paintball field would want to encourage more women to show up and put a best foot forward but no such luck with these guys in our experience.
Like I said, please dispel rumors and set me straight. I'd like to hear what everyone has to say now.
17 March 2008 - 07:18 AMSo, why couldn't the refs stop players from shooting? Don't get me wrong, I've reffed, I understand that people get crazy, groups of players become unruly mobs of idiots shooting for the sake of shooting. But weren't there any shields? Whistles? Radios? I mean, wasn't the safety of the refs taken into consideration by Skirmish?
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