D Monster's Profile
Reputation: 0 Neutral
- Active Posts:
- 68 (0.03 per day)
- Most Active In:
- Great Lakes Brigade (35 posts)
- 09-December 07
- Profile Views:
- Last Active:
- May 05 2011 04:58 PM
- Member Title:
- Solider of Misfortune
- 42 years old
- September 17, 1971
- Paintball, Guns(real steel), Full contact stick fighting, my hard-core, butt kicking Wife.
- Website URL:
- Brigade Name:
- D Monster
Topics I've Started
08 January 2011 - 10:06 PMFirst let me say I am not trying to flame or troll here...I just want to ask this question to folks outside my local group.
I am in a discussion with a new field owner about FPO vs BYOP practices.
Disclaimer: While I am an experienced player, I am not a professional. Nor am I a Field Operator or Owner.
I am not sponsored by, nor do I have any ties to any Paintball Field operation.
I dislike FPO. A lot. It has always bothered me. I understand that a lot of fields do it to insure they make money, and I am not against field owners/operators making money. FPO definitely helps their profit margins, but to me it has always seemed dishonest.
Let me try and explain that.
I go to a Field to play...There is a Gate or Entry Fee.
This is what it will cost me to use their field, to help cover the cost of building, maintaining the field. Staffing it, insuring it, keeping the lights on and the toilets flushing. That should reflect how elaborate the field is to me. If it is a cow pasture on your uncle's back 40... an Entry Fee of 10-15 dollars makes sense.
If it is 14 acres of awesome, with tons of purpose built structures, and there are plenty of Refs...40-50 (maybe even more) dollars makes sense.
But here is where the FPO issue comes up...a lot of Fields REQUIRE me to use their paint. Paint that is at a premium price.
To me this is , as I said previously, dishonest.
I am basically paying a second Entry Fee...and possibly a Fee to continue playing.
Does that make sense? I pay to get access to your field...to have the right to come play on your land, but then you charge me again to play the game.
If that income(from me buying your paint) is what you need to do to cover your cost...to break even or make a profit off me playing on your field...charge me that at the gate. Don't tell me it cost $15 to play on your field, then require me to buy a $80 case of paint. See...it smacks of bait and switch to me.
Now, before anyone starts blasting me in the comments that this is "just how it is" or that "Fields need to make their money"...I GET THAT...I do.
I want Fields to make money...then there are Fields to play on. I want them to make a lot of money, so that hopefully they can reinvest it into making the Field even more awesome.
My issues is that FPO seems underhanded to me.
Let me try this another way...
I started playing with rental gear way back in the day (back when rental gear was Splatmasters), it did the job of getting me hooked on Paintball. I went out and spent a fair amount of coin getting my own gear, in fact like most of you I have done this several times. I have spent the last couple of years tuning my current gear to better fit the way I play...to enhance my fun. Then I go to a field that says I have to use THEIR gear.
Maybe not EXACTLY the same...but to me it kinda is.
I use a Tippmann A-5 marker with a Flatline barrel. The A-5 has never been a 'gentle' marker. It slams the hell out of paint when it fires. And the Flatline barrel is rough on paint, putting it under a lot of stress. This means I can't use a lot of paints without tons of chop. Especially Tourney grade paint, that has a thin shell. I need to use paint with a thicker shell in order to get consistent results. Something like DXS Frostbite, or even Monsterballs from Wal-mart. I know this after months of making paint soup with other balls. So than I go to a FPO field...and guess what? I can't get a thick shell paint...so basically I can't play with my marker set up. Or I can get it, but it will cost me 50% more that retail...so I play 50% less games. Which means I have 50% less fun...which means there is a 90% chance I am not going to go to that Field again.
Now I could just accept this, and either pony up the extra cash, or find a marker set up that works with all paint, or just quit my bitching. But that is the issue here....I have an option.
There are fields that let me use the paint I have found works best with my particular set-up. These fields allow me to bring my own gear. My own mask, marker and paint. They may not be as fancy, or have flushing toilets. They may not be as close to me, meaning a 45 min longer drive. But I get to play more, and play the way I want to play. They tell me how much it cost to use their fields...and that is how much it costs. Not that much plus $X for paint before I can play.
Let me show you some differences.
Because it has an impact on planning, here is an overview of my current gear.
I use a A-5 with Flatline barrel, 3000 lbs HPA, and a basic loadout of 750 balls(Plus my hopper). On a good day of play, I will use a case of paint.
Entry Fee: $30 and includes all day air fills.
Paint prices: Range from $50 to $70 for full cases in varied grades.
Distance and Drivetime: ~50 miles and 1.25 hours
Cost for a day of play for me( Entry and a case of Paint): $80 if I use their paint, $30 if I BYOP (not factoring buying paint elsewhere into field cost any more than my marker is..)
Entry Fee: $18 and includes all day air fills.
Paint prices: Only one paint..cost is $90 per case
Distance and Drivetime: ~70 miles and 1.5 hours
Cost for a day of play for me( Entry and a case of Paint): $108, no option.
Let's say that travel time is moot.
Now take that cost times 2...my Wife also plays.
Field A: $60-160
Field B: $216
Where would you go?
Granted, the FPO field has a more elaborate field set up with more structures.
But is having a fancier field worth less play and more money?
19 February 2008 - 03:50 AMWell I got good news this week!
After about a months break the Chicago CQB Field is back up!
The first open game is Sunday the 24th of Feb.
Field is cheap, and the guy who runs it; Jeff, is good people.
I'll be there with (hopefully) my full squad of 8. Plus a few new folks to add to the mix.
Check it out on the Game Locater Game Locater Link
Short info is address:
41 E. 54TH STREET
Field Fee $15 ($25 BYOP) includes air(3000HPA/CO2)
Case of triumph paint $45
05 February 2008 - 12:53 PMOk, I was combing the forum looking for some answers to a few bugs, and I read that SpecOps is no longer developing or planning to support the Brigade!
This is a BAD IDEA Spec Ops!
I know it's not perfect; I know there are those shady bottom-feeders who BS their way to General rank; I know there are issues.
However, the Brigade is an outstanding tool, one I and my team use daily.
The Brigade offers a nexus of contacts that otherwise would take me days and weeks to find scattered around the interlink, not to mention the ability to track and plot my play.
In short, I use the Brigade, I love the Brigade, and we need it. Don't let it die!
Please tell me I am not alone here...