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01 January 2010 - 02:21 PMTo get some insight into the X7 Phenom, research all you can about the history of Automags, it's next incarnation in (with another company) the Tiberius pistol and rifles, and that will lead you into the valve system of the X7 Phenom.
19 December 2009 - 04:05 PM
24 November 2009 - 01:09 PMWhat I find rather interesting is that crowd that says they don't have enough money for a "good" electro but you see them sink over a thousand dollars into their Tippmann to make it look like a real gun...*sigh*
LOL! I'd love a TM15. But spending $300 over the course of a year or two in upgrading a gun (A5) that I already have, is more cost effective for me personally. I agree that some people go a bit too far though. :-)
The problem is.... most of those "upgrades" dont do anything. There are few upgrades to any marker that make it "better" most of it is preference in feel and weight distribution. If you spent 300$ making the marker more comfortable... you got ripped off, if you spent the money on a board or something to up the rof, air efficiency, good for you.
I too find it sad when people say they cant afford an electro, but they go buy a tippy and upgrade the way it looks - woo it looks like an m16, but it shoots like a piece of junk. The Ion is in the 160$ range now a days - same as an A5. Even though the ion is a SP products and not "mil slim" they are none the less great electros for the price and better than buying a electro spyder or equivalent.
Shooting tourney speed out of the box and doing so with consistency and without chopping up a hail storm, you cant ask for a better marker. I swear by mine. When playing tourney rules, some guy rocking a angel is going to be just as much of a power player as a guy rocking an ion. They cant shoot faster than each other, and the ion is still consistent at 17 bps(like you can shoot that fast with just your fingers anyways).
It comes down to this, your paying the same price of ~170$ Ion vs A5
One has a higher CONSISTENT rof with a double finger trigger, (typically) uses less air, is more consistent in general, is lighter, has electronics that are customizable to tune to your preference(uses batteries - ), tear down is simple as long as you dont rip wires, can use any hopper on the market today, eyes, uses N2 or anti-siphon co2, but not mil slim.
The other has a slower rof with a single trigger(show me someone who can walk that ), uses more air, less consistent, heavy, no batteries, tear down involves small moving parts(springs), usually comes with a hopper but its the only one you can use, uses N2 or regular co2, mil slim.
So in essence, anyone buying an A5 over an Ion is paying for a mech spyder with a rail and hopper on it that is "rated" at 15 bps... id like to see hat happen without a chop...
If you buy an Ion, your buying a good electro marker, but no rail and have to buy the hopper separate
- however, for asmaller price than modifying a tippy to shoot at the precision and rate of an ion, you can put a rail and a nice hopper on an ion. So, is it like your buying a crappy gun on purpose... or is it just me? Is it all for the mil slim look? Its like a fad to me i guess... Im more of a function over form kinda guy
If you want a tippy, look at this first
Or one of these(Ive never used one, so I cant back it up like I can the ion)
Insane ROF, walkable trigger, never chops......... Level X Automag. For additionally insane ROF and walkability, go nuts with a Pnue'd Automag. Oh, and it's PURELY mech. That being said, it's not a blowback, it's a blowforward.
I think the issue here is that blowback, in whatever form it takes (mech or electro, and yes, there are electro Tippmans), is an inherently inferior bolt resetting system in comparison to a blowforward. Add in that it's not usually made with quality parts, and you have even more problems with blowbacks.
One more thing. In Tom Kaye's Automag vids, there comes a guy rocking an awesome mullet from back in the day, when Automag sponsored teams. This guy nicknamed "Sandman" manages to pull something like 16 BPS out of an Automag, dry firing (if I remember correctly), and this was in 1992, with a co2 powered, Level 7, Automag.
Electronics are nifty, but they aren't everything.
20 November 2009 - 10:02 AMI'm going to have to agree with Becc on this one.
18 November 2009 - 05:48 PMI'm not sure if they come in Tippman threads, but I have a cocker threaded J&J ceramic that I picked up for $14, and for that price, let me tell you, it's amazing. Hopefully you can find one on the internet in the threads you need.
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