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24 October 2008 - 05:36 AMPersonally, I think that it was great having BnBK helping out. They were very fair, from all that I saw, and did not show favoritism at all. They also bolstered a ref crew that had already gone through one full day of reffing, and I am sure that the other refs did not mind having a few other bodies that also had knowledge of the rules and the fields add to them. If anything, the one member of BnBK that had the leg injury, and had not been playing, but making his way around on crutches, showing that he could get in there and ref was a bit impressive in his dedication.
If there was favoritism between them and any other team, or the opposite, then please speak up. But if you simply did not feel comfortable about them helping out, then leave it that you were not comfortable.
That is not what I said at all.... All I was saying is i wish that I was allowed to participate in the reffing clinic also. Because I had already reffed at the Tenn. qual. My team was told you were not allowed to play and ref at the same event and we were just trying to get qualified for next year. Nothing more nothing less.
20 October 2008 - 06:09 PMCurtis...sour grapes a little yes I will be honest...
Here is why i might have some sour grapes. FTF was in third points standing at the end of all teams playing thier 4 games. Then a mistake on the card was changed for GTF to have a game go from -9 to 11 points. After so they were still 6 points behind FTF. Then they demanded thier score cards reviewed them all and found that a 10 point penalty had been awarded to thier team and should have been awarded to the other team, after this was fixed they moved from 4th to 3rd above FTF by 4 points. In 2 of our games FTF we had descrepancies one i checked in an objective with a field ref who told me that I wasn't allowed (I was commander). (And yes earlier in the day Third I i checked in an objective with a field ref on your field.) Thus after I was told i couldn't check the objective in with that ref I was headed back to my dead box and was shot by a member of Adrenaline A team. So I held the objective above my head and eventually it was taken by the player who shot me. When i told the head ref this I was told it doesn't matter you won the game by 20 points or so. My point is yes it did matter because those 10 points for that objective keep FTF in 3rd place. Also on another field in another game with riff raff they found the dirty bomb, opened it and when being shot at tossed it on the ground before we shot them all into thier dead box. Thus the objective should be dead. They did not keep it on them and they were all shot into their dead box. They burst out grabed the dirty bomb and placed it on their home flag. We shot them all into thier dead box again and i pulled the flag at 6:23 left in the game.(I keep a timer on me as commander.) When i pulled the flag i took off and one of the riff raff players told me i was dead he stayed on the field after he was shot out. The refs were clear on the other side of the flag not paying attention that he had even set the dirty bomb so he was calling us out not a ref. (I thought you had to tell a ref when passing off or using an objective)
So yes either of those games had we been awarded the 6 or 10 points we would still have been in 3rd place. So both refs telling me at the end of my games it doesn't matter you won, yes it does matter.
Also In the captains meeting and at the players meeting we were all told we were going to have a 4 team playoff so this should not have mattered. On sunday morning I was told there was a change and that it was a 3 team playoff so i went to the staff and was told no idiot you should have payed attention there is a 4 team playoff not a 3 team playoff. Then as we were getting ready for finals we were told we were moved to 4th not 3rd (the changes were made for GTF) and that now there is only going to be a 3 team playoff thanks for coming we know your getting screwed but hey thats just how things are we are running out of time. EXCUSE ME running out of time. During the playoff between 2nd and 3rd of masters there was an open field they moved the refs over to the finals for elite div. This could have been 1st and 4th. Then when the last game was being played between 1st and 2nd of masters there were 2 open fields so it would have not taken anymore time to play the game then between 3rd and 4th.
Next year we will play SPPL, but this is why i'm upset. That being said the reffing was far better than the last few years and thank you to Third I, Curtis and Crazy 8.(and EZ for head reffing in Tenn.) But this is why I said all refs should attending captains and player meetings so they know the rules and this won't happen to a future team. I think the whole reffing package thing and quiz is a great idea i took it in Tenn. but why was my team turned away at finals from getting qualified when we reffed in Tenn. and then the Black and Blue crew was allowed to play and ref. We just wanted to get our ref qualification and we had already reffed an event. We just need more consistancy in our league to make it work.
17 October 2008 - 04:16 PMYet you will do the very same thing to me. So here we go with the he said she said thing.
I was not even involved in the call at the swing base. Could not have made the call, as I was 100+- feet away at the time watching another player. What got my attention was when Skip came out of the carpet fort kicking rocks and swearing like a long shoreman on a 3-day binge.
I hobbled over to him to assess the penalty and asked for his name, he swore again, I asked for his name and player card, he then sore at me directly calling me M-Fing B****. after another round of swear words, He then took off his player card and threw it in the opposite direction, in the process of pulling his card off, he also took off his mask; I asked him to put it on, again more words and threats. At that point he was so upset he became a real safety concern. I asked him to put his mask back on he again swore at me. I asked him to leave the field.
One of the other refs retrieved his card and brought it to me. I fell in behind him as we walked back to dead box. If anyone noticed this weekend I have a limp when I walk, and on the way back I was walking behind him, I stumbled on a rock or branch and bumped into his arm, tired to explaine what happend , but he exploded and told me if I ever laid a hand on him he would Fíing kill me. At that point I had little choice but to ejected him from the event.
By the time we got back to the dead box he was totally out of his mind with rage. He dared me to throw a punch, he pumped faked a like he was going to throw one to provoke me; he called me every foul name in the book. I asked him several times to leave the field, he would not comply. I tried again but, He simply would not leave the field. Finally I called into the dead box and asked for the team caption to remove him from the field. I had to get back to the game and left.
My concern was to get him of the field for his own safety and for those around him. I let him know he was being give 50 points in penalties then I recorded three language and two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties against GTF and made note he had been ejected on the score sheet.
I was up set and talking in a loud voice ( I have a loud voice), never was I out of control. Never did I lay a hand on him or provoked him. I had no reason too; He could have just taken the swearing penalty and walked away, or better yet just walked off after the being called out without swearing. But instead he chose to verbally attack a referee and then make physical threats. Frankly I am grateful I was there, if it had been one of the younger members of my crew he may have actually assaulted them.
You can white wash this any way you want too. You can blame his action on me if you want too. But the fact off the matter is he lost it on the field. He chose his words and his actions. The really sad thing....he was allowed to continue to play. (heavy sigh)
A player has no right to act like that regardless of the call. The rules are there to protect the players and the referees. As referees we canít have players making physical threats against us, we canít be on the field concerned we might take one in the back of the head or neck at point blank range because some player didnít like a call we made.
So only 3 cussing pent. and GTF finished only 4 points ahead of FTF (screwed to fourth) in final standings. After two amends had been changed on their score cards.
17 October 2008 - 03:45 PMSo, moving on to the original topic of this post, from my position as a Head Ref, things seemed to go pretty well this weekend. I can only think of 2 major issues on my field and both of those were handled with only one person not liking me (and he's not even a player) so, pretty decent. While I did have to give out a couple Playing On and Out of Bounds penalties, both of those were, in the opinion of myself and my refs, unintentional and thus given as minor a penalty as allowed.
A huge thanks to all the teams who played good, clean games and especially to all my refs who chose to show up Sunday morning even with the downpour from the sky.
To those who had to play back-to-back games, I have started some research of my own towards designing some simple tournament scheduling software to eliminate this issue with the exception of Semi- and Finals games.
Well i think all refs need to be part of the captains and player meetings so they know whats going on on their fields. Third I on your field you let a team that was shot into their dead box with the dirty bomb break out and place the dirty bomb. Thus securing their flag for the last 10min of the game. Also the refs should be in those meetings so they don't run their field different from the rules and different from whats put out at the meetings. i.e. like in 8.0 of the rules it says the commander can check in an objective with a Field Ref. So then when your playing and the ref says no you need to take this to your dead box, because he made up his own rules. You can say no remember what was put out at the meetings the objective is checked in with a field ref. Also with refs attending the meetings one field won't be running different than the other two at world championships.
11 September 2008 - 10:01 AM