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Ghillie or not to ghillie

  1. Ghillie (178 votes [78.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 78.07%

  2. Not to ghillie (50 votes [21.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.93%

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Posted 06 December 2006 - 03:53 PM

Because of obvious differences between real world snipers and paintball snipers, a person must become their own definition of their view of a sniper. In my mind a paintball sniper doesn't need camo, all they have to do is use their head to stay consealed and stalk their opponents. If you can make a ghillie work then great for you, a new door has been opened, but if you don't need it then it's a pointless upgrade because you have to move differently. You also need to think about your opponents when you wear ghillie. If your opponents have been going against people with ghillie for a long while you might as well go with normal camo. I paintball with some guys almost every weekend for almost the entire past year. They can now spot me in my ghillie very well from a good distance away, but when I go against somebody who hasn't seen ghillie used then they never see me. So you have to know you and your opponent's abilities before you decide on ghillie.
And a last tip. Make your own ghillie. If you make it then you can customize it to your environment, but if you buy it then you have to hope your ghillie blends in, instead of being a target that everyone zooms in on.
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Posted 15 December 2006 - 06:01 PM

I like this topic! no flame war yet, goodie!
anyway, i agree with joker about positions and whatnot, but i can see where montresor is coming from.
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Posted 17 December 2006 - 03:15 PM

Ive been up in the air about getting a Ghillie. Most that ive seen are just.. Too much ghillie that id be afraid that in its attempt to conceal me, i would stuck out as a big glob of something. The link to the Ghilliesuits.com site did point me in about the direction i want..

This Jacket and Pants combo is about the right about of ghillie and cammo that would work best in the area i play in IF the backside is Ghillied out. Having just the one side Ghillie, and the other basic cammo i think is proly the best way to go imo for where I play/how i play.

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Posted 17 December 2006 - 03:42 PM

let say you are a stationary ambush sniper get a bush rag type ghillie suitAttached File  a.nl.jpg (36.88K)
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Posted 21 December 2006 - 02:45 PM

id definately say use a ghillie ;)
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Posted 27 December 2006 - 11:08 PM

View PostMontresor, on Sep 25 2006, 04:25 PM, said:

View Posttigerforce, on Sep 25 2006, 04:57 PM, said:

Ditto above but there are ghillies commercially available that allow movement. (www.ghilliesuits.com)
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Freedom of movement is fine, but ghillie is what is referred to as 'active camoflague'. This means that it actually resembles it's environment, making the wearer appear buried (if seen at all). Realtree ™ would also be considered an active camo. Other camos are called 'passive camoflague'. Tigerstripe, woodland, and Marpat fall into this category. Passive camos let the eye slide over you, but won't hold up under focused scrutiny. Active camo can make the wearer invisible, even under intense scrutiny, but looks very wrong if moving.

Ghillies are not active camo in the sense that you are using them. Ghillies do not try to portray a bush or tree, they just get rid of the human outline. The eyes dont see they recognize. Thats how you speed read and skim through things. You recognize key phrases/words and remember them. Same logic applies elsewhere. If you dont look like a human, the eye will not pick you up as one.

In any case, it doesnt matter what camo your wearing because thats what the eye picks up first, movement.
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Posted 28 December 2006 - 10:41 AM

I'm going to throw my idea into this thread.

Now, the point of a sniper is to use concealment, stealth, and superior aim to eliminate the opposing force. It even says in the field intelligence that a "Senior" sniper (6 days of playing as a sniper), should be already using ghillie.

Now if your a sniper, without a ghillie, how are you a sniper?

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If your not in a ghillie, there not going to be looking for a guy in a ghillie. Your just another player, really, your just a sneaky player. Your not any more concealed then your buddy, and you sound pretty pathetic standing there saying, "I'm a sniper" when you look the same as the guy next to you.

Your supposed to be able to let your enemies walk right past you, and if your not even making an attempt to be concealed other then some camo I doubt that that's going to happen.

Please, serious snipers, ghillie up. B)

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Posted 30 December 2006 - 03:16 AM

View PostMitch likes Pumps, on Dec 28 2006, 11:41 AM, said:

Now, the point of a sniper is to use concealment, stealth, and superior aim to eliminate the opposing force.


I do. Concealment can mean quite a few different things. And to interpret this as making ghillie a need, you'd have to assume that the reader gives a poop what the Specops field manual says. A good many people don't. And yet, somehow, they own anyway.

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If your not in a ghillie, there not going to be looking for a guy in a ghillie. Your just another player, really, your just a sneaky player. Your not any more concealed then your buddy, and you sound pretty pathetic standing there saying, "I'm a sniper" when you look the same as the guy next to you.


If you're bragging up your status as a sniper in the staging area, you probably already look pathetic. It won't matter what you're wearing. I've shot the hell out of dozens of guys who were wearing ghillie, guys who never got a shot off at me all day. Who would've sounded pathetic claiming 'sniper' status in this case? I wear Proto pants and no ghillie, so according to your logic, me.

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Your supposed to be able to let your enemies walk right past you, and if your not even making an attempt to be concealed other then some camo I doubt that that's going to happen.


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Posted 30 December 2006 - 08:01 PM

I say that if you have the money or the means to get a hold of a ghillie then do so, but if not don't worry about it I for one don't use a ghillie, since I can't afford any of the materials or an actual suit, and have had either extremely good luck or very blind opponents and in most cases came out victorios. I still hope to get a ghillie some day. Just my opinion. :laugh:
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Posted 31 December 2006 - 04:46 AM

View Posth3r3tic, on Dec 30 2006, 09:01 PM, said:

I say that if you have the money or the means to get a hold of a ghillie then do so, but if not don't worry about it I for one don't use a ghillie, since I can't afford any of the materials or an actual suit, and have had either extremely good luck or very blind opponents and in most cases came out victorios. I still hope to get a ghillie some day. Just my opinion. :)



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Posted 31 December 2006 - 01:58 PM

yeah, you can still be sneaky and concealed with out a ghillie suit, but if you did have a ghillie suit you would have even more of an advantage.
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Posted 05 January 2007 - 09:52 PM

Camo is 90% natural. You can take that however you want, but ultimately it comes down to knowing how to use your enviorment to your advantage. Thats part of the fieldcraft. You can have an awesome hide, but if you have no escape route you can slip out silently in, then whats the point right? See, your using your knowledge and experience to use the land to your advantage. If you get on that hill then you dont have a very good view because of the bushes in that area, but if your on your belly you'll notice some of the bushes are rather high, leaving you some nice lanes. Again, using the land to your advantage. So why is it hard to fathom that you can use camo thats already there to conceal yourself if you ought to have the basic know-how of using the land as a 'force multiplier'?

Theres no doubt that ghillies help, but you can get by without them. I've had people nearly step on me in my ghillies. I've had people come within spitting distance without. Now they've gotten closer when I've had my ghillie, but why does it matter when either one is worth a surrender or easy shot?
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Posted 16 January 2007 - 10:45 AM

I dont care what field intelligence says, you dont need to have a ghillie suit to be a kick "dumper" sniper. Like everyone else says, its the player, not the gear. Thats like saying if i buy a DM7 ill be Ollie lang, doesnt make sense. Ive used a military ghillie suit once. One that was made by a man who was and is a marine, an army ranger "sniper", and a DEA Operative. This guy knows how to make a ghillie. Anyways, the ghillie suit he let me use made me INVISIBLE in the woods from about 5 ft away. Just because i was "invisible" doesnt make me a sniper either. If i cant wait until the good shot, if i cant get away fast, if i can have patience, i shouldnt be trying to be a sniper anyway. Nowadays i have gotten out of my pipe dream views of the sniper from my early noobliedom. I use a custom Action Ghillie ive made, which covers the top half of my body, and im not even a sniper! Im a medium rifleman, and a sneaky one at that "no, not a sniper".

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Posted 19 January 2007 - 12:23 PM

I have had better luck in good cover with no ghillie than in decent cover with a ghillie. I say learn your area and learn which is better.
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 09:55 PM

Really as mentioned be4 a sniper is not made by his suit alone it is through several sessions, defenitly more than special ops suggests, of paintball being concealed, waiting for the perfect shot, moving from ambush to ambush with being seen little or at all.
i've seen guys with ghilles ans sniper gun rigs but they don't know how to use them at all they play rifleman half the time since i alwys shoot for them in a game im the one being the sniper adn killing the Sniper-Wannabees, not to use the term harshly.

i myself use a 40$$ suit of Digital Woodland Camo, hence the name, it has become synanomous with me every time i play at the local feild. IT works like none other and the terrain dosent require a ghille because theres so many places to hide where i paintball.

You shouldnt' be talkin up your game in a staging area. The extent only extent, i belive, of talkin up is to defend the name of being a paintball sniper.

Yes a ghille is a great addition to a snipers arsenal but maybe before u buy a 200-300$ ghille u should try being a sniper with reagular fatigues or with the Fusion system from Specops that leaves you with the ability to add ghille leaves, if u think u can cut it as a sniper.

I cant say how much more i have to learn about being a sniper, and i have been playing it for about 5 years now.
The first step is to refine the art of being a sniper, and useing feildcraft, because if u make it u will be the most powerful person on the paintball feild.

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