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#31 User is offline   xkpxfattyxx 

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Posted 30 September 2006 - 01:05 PM

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Posted 30 September 2006 - 01:48 PM

In my experience so far I would echo the Spyder Pilot ACS. Get a better barrell though than the stock.
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Posted 30 September 2006 - 04:01 PM

I recommend a BT-4 Combat. VERY reliable and great looks, unless you're into pretty markers. Very easy to take apart and clean. Modular trigger frame, adjustable/removeable front grip, slide-away feed port (which is sweeet), A5 barrel threads with changeable barrel adapter. Stick a 14" J&J Ceramic barrel on it and a turbo loader and you're off to a great start. You can always add ups later if you want like a stock, reg, remote, E-Grip, etc. Very simple, Very reliable. Go BT!!
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Posted 30 September 2006 - 05:04 PM

get a spyder they are very easy to strip and put back together very basic blowback and is pretty gas efficent but if you feel like learning alot get a cocker or tippmann.
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Posted 30 September 2006 - 05:05 PM

DO NOT GO WITH A TIPPMANN!

Now that I've got your attention, I will expand. A Tippmann is a alright gun, but for the price, there are just much better options. I have owned a 98 for 9 months now, and it was my very first gun. The first thing you'll notice is there are about a quarter of a million upgradeds for the thing. And there is a reason for that. They suck stock. They are extremely crude, the hardware rusts like crazy, and the internals ware out quickly. They are very loud (probably the loudest out there next to a Brass Eagle), long, have a crappy finish that chips, and are inaccurate without a new barrel. And about the loud, don't think that putting a rocket cock on is going to make it quieter, because I own one, and there is no noticable change in noise. Now before people try to flame me for "being a n00b and not knowing what I'm doing", I can honestly say I have taken apart 98's hundreds of times. I know every part in the marker, front to back. Within 9 months, I've been through 3 sears, 2 hammers (rear bolt), 3 sear springs, many exterior screws, random assortments of other parts. The rumor that the Tippmann is the most reliable gun on the market is the biggest hoax ever. Also, I screwed in an air tank today, and now I need a new valve because the whole thing instantaneously started leaking. The only thing Tippmann's have going for them is excellent customer service, which you'll probably use quite often.

Moving on to Spyders:

I have never owned one, but I know many people who own them. Some like them and seem to have few problems, while other people are constantly cursing theirs as they are broken more then they are fixed. Spyders do have many good features though, such as anti chop bolts, the rocking trigger, low pressure regulators, etc. Since I have not owned one, I cannot make a educated comment, so I'm moving on once again.

Piranha's or however there spelt:

My friends own them, and being a very hands on guy, I have taken them apart and have become a sorta certified tech to my friends. These guns are great for just beginning with because they are relatively inexpensive, durable, and come in lots of colours (which most new players buy a marker for). However, you will probably outgrow these guns relatively quickly if you play alot and become more serious

Brass Eagle:

Just don't. There plastic. They crack. They suck.

Ben Tippmann:

I haven't owned one, but two of my friends have them, and I have played with them. They are almost identical to a tippmann 98 with the exception of rails for mounting stuff like scopes and more rails. I have noticed while firing fast with CO2, the gun has completely frozen and would not work until 5 hours later, once it warmed up (this was in the middle of the summer aswell)

Smart Parts:

Once again, haven't owned one, but have played with them. This gun would be a very good first gun if you knew you were going to get really into paintball. This gun is very expensive to start with, but you will never need to add anything to make it better. Everything else will be for comfort only. The reason this gun is expensive to begin with is because it requires the use of HPA (high pressure air, or also known as nitro tanks), which are much more expensive then CO2. Because it is also vey fast, you will need a new hopper, but you don't have to get one right away because the gun has eyes which won't allow it to fire until a ball is completely in the chamber. This way you will not get any chops.

WGP (autocockers):

These things are just plain cool. However, I would not recommend it for a first gun because they require alot of mechanical know how and can end up in a big mess if you neglect it.

CCI Phantom:

This is an amazing gun. Possibly one of the most accurate ones on the market today. It is very easy to take apart and clean, and extremely reliable. It is very easy to customize to the way you like. Just check out there website to see some of the options you can have for it. Also, starting out pump is a great way to learn to play. If you do start with a pump, you will get your DUMPER served to you on a plate for the first bit until you get better, but once you have mastered the pump, you will be god with a semi.

I can't think of any other guns right now, but whatever gun you decide to get, try it out first and see if its the one for you. Also, if your going to get a low end gun, buy a brand new barrel when you pick it up. Manufacturers know that people are going to go ot and buy a new barrel as there first upgrade, so they just put a piece of aluminum with threads on the end of your gun.
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 05:22 PM

an ion is a great gun for starters
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 05:43 PM

tank332- Don't believe EVERYTHING you read on this forum. Tippmanns are fine. They had a bad batch of sear springs in the 98C that caused some problems but that problem has been acknowledged and taken care of. My 98C is 6 years old and works like new. The BT line of markers is also very nice. I own a BT-4 Combat and have never had it "freeze" needing 5 hours to thaw out. Besides that, anyone that has played paintball for very long knows that CO2 isn't the best thing to use for high rates of fire. Using CO2 while using a high rate of fire then blaming the common problems that arise from this on the marker is rediculous. I highly recommend ANY Tippmann or BT marker. They are both very tough and reliable and both companies have wonderful customer service.

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 06:29 PM

View PostDVLCHLD, on Oct 5 2006, 07:43 PM, said:

tank332- Don't believe EVERYTHING you read on this forum. Tippmanns are fine. They had a bad batch of sear springs in the 98C that caused some problems but that problem has been acknowledged and taken care of. My 98C is 6 years old and works like new. The BT line of markers is also very nice. I own a BT-4 Combat and have never had it "freeze" needing 5 hours to thaw out. Besides that, anyone that has played paintball for very long knows that CO2 isn't the best thing to use for high rates of fire. Using CO2 while using a high rate of fire then blaming the common problems that arise from this on the marker is rediculous. I highly recommend ANY Tippmann or BT marker. They are both very tough and reliable and both companies have wonderful customer service.

I would also recommend a tippmann for a starter, then if you like woodsball you can upgrade it. If you like speedball, get a smart parts ion or if you have a lot of money, you could get a high-end marker.
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 06:32 PM

honestly the custom is the best to go because of its relyability and at can take a beating
as many people have it, ide say its safe to go with it
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 07:18 PM

View PostStr8jacket09, on Oct 5 2006, 06:32 PM, said:

honestly the custom is the best to go because of its relyability and at can take a beating
as many people have it, ide say its safe to go with it



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tippmann 98c is a great starter, and when you get more experienced and get a new gun, its a great backup too
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 08:52 PM

It depends on the person. If you get a pump like said earlier be prepared to get beat for a while. This may also be the downfall of you if you get too frustrated from the lack of eliminations. I would suggest a cheap gun for a beginner. Then if you decide you like paintball, go for something better.
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 10:08 PM

If you are brand new to this sport, and have a very limited knowledge of mechanics, etc., then I would recommend a 98C. Now, to prevent retribution from my fellow forum members, I will say this. I started with a Tippmann, but I had mastered that gun and was ready for something MUCH better within a few months. I decided to upgrade it to compensate. Well, big mistake. Upgrades to a low-end gun will not make it perform better. I have bought hundreds of dollars in 98C upgrades, and have turned around and sold hundreds of dollars in 98C upgrades. My 98C is still my primary after a year of play, but it is also very simple. So, if you fit this description, I will recommend that you get a 98C, but limit your upgrades to a new barrel, a double trigger (if it's your thing...), and a rocket cock (composite, the alluminum ones are not worth it). With that, you can have a dead on accurate paintball gun, even with CO2. You just need to work on your "skillz". B)

Then, once you feel you have mastered that, move on to a new gun. Guess what, you spent less than $200 dollars on it, and you now have a VERY reliable backup gun.

If you are not brand new, and you a fairly confident that you can understand the mechanics of paintball guns, then something a little more complicated can be a good choice. Some options would be a mag, cocker, Ion (I can't believe I just said that... :D ), Promaster, etc., but keep it fairly cheap. You don't know if you're going to be sticking with this sport. You should, but there is a chance it won't be for you. The only problem with buying a more advanced starter gun, is that you have to use HPA, which is constantly available, and is also a whole lot more expensive than CO2. (The initial tank price that is...)

Your last option would be to get a pump. I would not recommend this. My opinion might change after I have actually played with a pump (I'm getting a Phantom in the Spring :D , hopefully...), but right now it stands this way. This is because as a beginner you need to practice the basics, and some basics, such as moving and shooting, suppressive fire, etc., are not possible with a pump. It's better to learn the basics, then improve the more advanced skills with a pump, and then go back to semi, occasionally, and just have a load of fun throwing cases of well-aimed paintballs.

So, I think that you should determine which of these groups you fit into. Then, do some research and find out what you want. We can't decide for you.

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 10:39 PM

Ummm... Hmmm... well i'd go with a simple mech marker that field strips easy, that's pretty cheap and is hard to break. SPYDER SONIX, VICTOR, XTRA, MR1,
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 10:47 PM

the ion may be good for a staring gun or a 98. the ion is cheaper it is electronic and it has vision and to me it is fun to play with, 98 because i see alot of noobs carrying them so i figuerd it would also be a good one or a spyder
it depends on what you want
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Posted 06 October 2006 - 01:01 PM

If you like want to snipe, I would go with the phantom. I got one and I LOVE it.
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