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Ion Longbow or AGD Longbow Rate Topic: -----

Poll: Ion Longbow or AGD Longbow (284 member(s) have cast votes)

Longbow

  1. Blackcell Ion (77 votes [27.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.11%

  2. Tac-1 (207 votes [72.89%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.89%

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 09:49 AM

View Postssgtsmith7489, on Jul 26 2006, 03:01 AM, said:

Quick question: After reading the AGD Q-Bow description, it seems that it comes with Five Q-Pods, the Helical feed system, the Q-Bow marker itself, and a 16" barrel. My main concern is over whether it actually comes with the five hundred round Q-Loader system or if the description writer was just saying that that amount was good to carry for the worst case scenario.

I only ask because I was under the assumption that it only came with one Pod and no barrel, which would another 100-200 dollars to the 909 dollar price tag, whereas I could get a complete blackcell q-bow, 500 round system and 16" stiffi for around 800 dollars. But if I can get the complete AGD package for only a hundred more, than theres no question as to which one gets thrown in the cart.




i was wondering the same thing

wakewarrior says it does, but if u wana b sure, call Spec Ops and ask
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Posted 26 July 2006 - 01:03 PM

I think I'm beginning to lean toward the Tac-One...just need to save up enough for a HPA tank.
Do I need an agitated hopper?

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Posted 26 July 2006 - 01:20 PM

View PostSquatting 13ear, on Jul 26 2006, 01:03 PM, said:

I think I'm beginning to lean toward the Tac-One...just need to save up enough for a HPA tank.
Do I need an agitated hopper?

Squatting 13ear


Not if you are using the Longbow feed system or Q-Loader system, as they take the place of standard loaders. If you are just using a straight Tac-One then, like all fast shooting markers an agitated hopper is a must.
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Posted 26 July 2006 - 03:46 PM

I like the Blackcell because it has a better sight rail and a better look



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Post icon  Posted 28 July 2006 - 06:51 PM

Ion beause its ceaper and I have an Ion and I love it!

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Posted 29 July 2006 - 10:58 PM

its a matter of electro vs mechanical
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 02:02 PM

Update on the ION vs. Tac one (Longbow versions)

Just traded for anthoer Ion Blackcell and ran some side by side test with matched
paint to barrel.
Im gonna use the Blackcell as a back up so I did everything I would do with my tac
one. It did well, wasnt as accurate as the tac one, but it was different. Cant really match up
an electronic gun to mechanical.
It just felt completly different..
Trigger was alittle more touchy on the blackcell, blackecell is plastic or some kind of composite.
Blackcell just has more things that can go wrong with it out in the field...Board, battery, eyes...ect.
But overall....great buy for the cash (Blackcell)
Best buy for the cash with resale value and durability (AGD TAC ONE )
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 02:05 PM

^^^^^only you are rich enough to buy both and still have 15 other guns j/p :) lol.. well i think the agd longbow.. im buying the agd, then further more saving up fro the kit

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 10:46 AM

View Post(Drty)Sanchez, on Aug 6 2006, 02:02 PM, said:

Update on the ION vs. Tac one (Longbow versions)

Just traded for anthoer Ion Blackcell and ran some side by side test with matched
paint to barrel.
Im gonna use the Blackcell as a back up so I did everything I would do with my tac
one. It did well, wasnt as accurate as the tac one, but it was different. Cant really match up
an electronic gun to mechanical.
It just felt completly different..
Trigger was alittle more touchy on the blackcell, blackecell is plastic or some kind of composite.
Blackcell just has more things that can go wrong with it out in the field...Board, battery, eyes...ect.
But overall....great buy for the cash (Blackcell)
Best buy for the cash with resale value and durability (AGD TAC ONE )

Are the electronics really a hinderence? The eyes will let you forget about a squeegie and chops, teh board and micro switch will let you forget about 'what if my cover is blown', especially if you get a new board and have PSP mode. You fire 3 shots and if you dont wait 1second then your gun is now full auto at 15BPS. Batteries you'll have to change out every now and then but I normally dont play 20hrs straight.

The Ion is still fairly simple as well. It prolly has less moving parts than the Tac-One actually because its based off the Shocker that just has the bolt moving. So in the Ion you have the Pneu's, bolt, board, and the basics. So even then its fairly simple. However, its not the 'complexity' of it that gets people its that its different. Assuming you've used a Tippy like most of us to start off then you know how it works. Lectros work in a different way and let you control different aspects electronically. Instead of home made mods like you could with a trigger spring or shim, you can enter in data and try and balance it out with the other actions of the gun. More fo this is less of that etc. So its not that its complex its just different.

Now the Tac-One is a reversed and revised Tippy. Tippy's are an inline blowback, the AGD's are blow-forward. So you take what you know and flip it around. It actually has about 3 moving parts so its more 'complex'(although still extremly simple) than the Ion, but its somthing your used to.

Both have a lot of upgrades but in my opinion arent really 'extremely' upgradable like Cockers and Timmy's. Again, they have a lot of aftermarket parts, but they are only for a couple of parts. Thats more less my opinion though.

Both are a good buy so you'll be fine either way.
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 12:26 PM

i have to ask do u need a n20 tank for a longbow or can u use co2 becuase i might get one for cheap like 300

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Posted 13 August 2006 - 01:58 PM

also to continue my question do u need a remote line
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Posted 13 August 2006 - 03:46 PM

View Postdarkwolf0982, on Aug 13 2006, 01:26 PM, said:

i have to ask do u need a n20 tank for a longbow or can u use co2 becuase i might get one for cheap like 300


The AGD Longbow definately needs HPA/N2. I'm not sure about the Ion but if it is like most modern electros than it too probably needs HPA/N2. CO2 on really fast firing markers tends to cause severe drop off, freeze ups, and screwed orings, messed up regulators, and other problems.

If you are going to get a nice mid to high end gun and can get fills in your area, HPA will be better. CO2 is good for pumps and certain low to mid end semis (usually blow backs like spyders & Tippmans), and autocockers/blazers.

I haven't shot the Ion but I love my AGD Longbow. I also love that it only needs air and paint to work, not a single battery in sight.
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Posted 15 August 2006 - 01:32 PM

Expensive usually translates into better and higher quality.
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Posted 19 August 2006 - 03:09 PM

I own both a Tac One and a ION w/ blackcell body kit.

I'll put it this way...

I played today (8/19/06) & started with the ION. It was shooting fast and pretty good. I was putting paint out and reaching my targets, but not getting a whole lot of eliminations.

Then I switched to my Tac One and the team I was on had to attack a BIG 2 level fort. I was anywhere from 90-110 ft and nailing hoppers and heads, usually only shooting 2-3 pb's at a time. I took out 6-7 guys alone that were on the second level shooting at me and other guys on my side.

The Tac One is just a sweet paintball marker! It's not as air efficent as an ION can be, but I shot less paint and hit more opponents.

Sanchez wrote up a good post...



I would spend the money on a Tac One and be HAPPY from the get go.
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Posted 21 August 2006 - 04:07 PM

The Tac One shoots darts if you've got the right paint to barrel match. It's insanely accurate. You can lay paint just as well as an electro if you know what you're doing. It's also very quiet.

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