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What is a Paintball Sniper? Read this and find out what we really are... Rate Topic: ****- 7 Votes

#61 User is offline   SWATORNOT 

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 10:08 AM

View Poststealthyeliminator, on Dec 23 2006, 12:34 AM, said:

So, while out here in the real world, I'm white, right? But when I play paintball, I can be blue, right? I'm paintball blue. Yes, I know, my skin isn't really blue. But it's ok because I added paintball to the word. It's a different word now. It's new. It's something completely different. And I'm blue. It means that I wear camo. Yeah, thats right. I'm paintball blue and that means I wear camo.

That is by far the worst attempt at justifying reasoning I have ever seen. There is no logical thinking behind it, there is nothing of supporting words, ideas, or thought even. Nice try, but again...even you have failed to debunk that.

That makes no sense. Even by adding the word paintball blue doesn't change meaning. Even by adding the word paintball to sniper it doesn't change meaning. If you want to go around making up words then by all means do so but I'm going to continue to speak english and in english you aren't a sniper when you play paintball. Might as well PM me if you feel like responding. Apparently I'm one of the only ones on here to disagree and I doubt I'll respond in this thread again so it would really do you no good to respond in this thread.

You are right, it made absolutely no sense at all...at least you saw that yourself. If you like to speak English, and define things by the English language, then perhaps you should take some time and actually study the language and discover how many new words are being added to the English Dictionary every year. When you find out that this language you like to speak and define by so much is always changing, then maybe you will learn even more.

As far as sending you a PM, why? Are you incapable of discussion and actually backing the thoughts and reasoning in public posts? I mean, you come in here and try to justify your thoughts, make a reply or two and then take the easy road out.


Apparently I'm not making this clear enough. I DO NOT believe that RELATIVE range is important when defining a sniper. Range, yes, more range then the other guy, no.

See, even that just solidified the definition we have come up with for a paintball sniper...Range has no place in defining the position and you just backed us on that, we thank you for that :(

If you start to touch the other aspects of the sniper, I'm sure you'd very quickly become convinced that the word sniper doesn't fit any position in paintball no matter what.

Actually, if you are going to come into a discussion it really helps if you read the whole post, especially the first one. Had you read the entire first posting you would have discovered that I went into the other aspects of the sniper...yet clearly missed again by yourself and many others.

Sure, a paintball sniper is mainly a person who shoots from a concealed location, hell if you are a hammer and shot from a hidden place, call yourself a sniper if you want, we don't care. The point is this is just a label, a position, and primary style of play that follows the lines of a sniper, with limitations.


I mean by those thoughts then a Hammer shouldn't be called a Hammer, last time I was playing next to my team's Hammer he wasn't pounding nails into anything. The same goes for the Dagger, never saw that guy playing with a knife....

So, what is you beef with just this position? Are you just following the band wagon because everybody else is? If that is the case, then why don't you take it one step further and start debating those other positions as well...I mean, you are debating the single definition of the word "sniper" here, so let's go on a rampage and start picking away at the others as well.


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This is getting so old with the half-thought-reasonings behind why people fail to recognize a paintball sniper. Peopl hear sniper and automatically think of Tom Beringer or other real life snipers...odd how they don't do that with the Dagger and Hammer positions isn't it?

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 11:27 PM

HAHAHAAHAA! :huh: :laugh: :laugh: Yep, I think we need to ask a lot of questions to get the discussion off of snipers.
Paintball commander? Come on, be real. This isn't the military and no one has to listen to you.
Multiple variations of Rifleman? Sorry, it's a marker you are using, not a rifle. Maybe we should attach bayonets. :laugh:
Paintball Grenade? Not even close, as I just noted in a recent post on grenades.
Tanks? Let's put a cardboard box on a scatboard! :laugh:
Land mines? Try walking into a claymore :laugh:
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Posted 24 December 2006 - 10:50 AM

View PostHaunted Hunter, on Dec 23 2006, 11:27 PM, said:

HAHAHAAHAA! :ninja: :D :laugh: Yep, I think we need to ask a lot of questions to get the discussion off of snipers.
Paintball commander? Come on, be real. This isn't the military and no one has to listen to you.
Well ok, I won't.

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Posted 09 January 2007 - 11:13 PM

There are no BOINKing snipers. Sniper ROLES maybe but to "snipe" someone you need accuracy, paintballs WILL NEVER HAVE PINPOINT ACCURACY which is needed! You will never have the distance. To effectively snipe someone you need to be out of their range. Seeing as how you and your target will be shooting the same distance, it'll be a bummer when he pelts you with his ramping marker after you give yourself away with a complete miss.
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 11:39 PM

Monitor, you make yourself look like an idiot. I doubt any member here other then you will fail to see how stupid and arogant some of your comments are. When your able to make an actual responce to one of my posts, I'll talk.

Until then,
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Posted 09 January 2007 - 11:52 PM

View Poststealthyeliminator, on Jan 9 2007, 11:39 PM, said:

Monitor, you make yourself look like an idiot. I doubt any member here other then you will fail to see how stupid and arogant some of your comments are. When your able to make an actual responce to one of my posts, I'll talk.

Until then,
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The only one looking like an idiot at this point is yourself. Are you that ignorant to flame a member of the staff or what buddy?

I find it more than amusing that you think my logical, reasonable, and pretty straight forward thoughts makes me "stupid and arrogant" when all you have presented is the same damn thing you and the other 500 people against the paintball sniper say. I mean, my last reply to this thread pointed out even clearer just how lame it is for you to argue the point. I mean, why are you so obsessed with the sniper position and not any of the others? Are you upset because your team won't let you play the position, or are you just looking to get a rise out of people? Whatever your little tiff with this position is, until you can actually come up with a reasonable thought, and be mature about it, nobody will listen to what you have to say.

When you can make a reasonable, and factual based response, then we will listen, but until then all you are doing is preaching to a wall. Once you come down off your "high-horse" and arrogance cop out and are ready to really talk, feel free, but until then, you have been warned for flaming.

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 12:06 AM

Yeah, I'm so arrogant that I flamed the staff.

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Range, yes

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Range has no place in defining the position and you just backed us on that

This is the sort of comment I was refering to. Tell me that isn't stupid. How can I say that I believe that range is a factor so that you will understand my viewpoint? How do you expect me to make an argument that you will understand, when I can't even get you to understand my view on the subject?

Are quotes factual and reasonable enough for you?

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 12:12 AM

When you are going to quote people, especially yourself, it helps if you show the entire thing;

View Poststealthyeliminator, on Dec 23 2006, 12:34 AM, said:

Apparently I'm not making this clear enough. I DO NOT believe that RELATIVE range is important when defining a sniper. Range, yes, more range then the other guy, no.

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As I said originally, you just backed everybody on the range issue, specifically not needing more range than the other players. Why then if each position and player has an equal range would it even be feasible, or logical to factor that into defining the position?

Perhaps you just need to understand your own thoughts and view before continuing this discussion...

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 12:41 AM

Good gosh.. I didn't back you guys up. I just said that you need range to snipe. Thats a direct contradiction to what you people are saying. Your saying you don't need range. I'm saying you do. You say don't, I say do. I can't see how that backs you up.

From the start to now.

Ok. You pointed out the fact that sniper rifles do not have more range then some other weapons on the battlefield as if it meant something.

I responded to that by saying it doesn't matter. Having a weapon that can shoot farther then the next weapon isn't necessarily a defining factor, BUT THEY ARE STILL LONG RANGE WEAPONS. They still shoot more then a couple hundred feet. Paintball guns do NOT. And then if I can recall correctly I mentioned a little something about effective range. But, even though it would stack the case more in my favor, for simplicity, I'll leave that out.

Range DOES matter. Having more range then the other guy does NOT matter, but you still need have range. Your paintball gun can't shoot 500 yards farther then the other guys, that doesn't matter. Your gun can't shoot past a couple hundred feet, that DOES matter.

Talk about not reading the whole post. You singled out a piece of it just as I did and ignored the main point. The main point being that you need range, and range does not mean you can shoot farther then the other team. Range means you can shoot far. And you can't do that in paintball.

No, I do not think this in itself proves that there aren't paintball snipers.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 07:40 AM

Again you only back everything that has been said because, big surprise, again you are speaking in terms of a military sniper. Once you can ignore your single track thoughts of the sniper being militaristic, then you will understand, but until then all you are going to do is keep dragging in issues and facts that do not apply to the paintball sniper.

"Stacking the case in your favor," please, all you would do is point out more military sniper based thoughts and facts which have very little relevance to the paintball sniper.

I really am finding what you are pointing out here to be redundant, clearly you are just lumping things together that shouldn't. It's your opinion that there is no paintball sniper, that's cool...but I won't waste any more of my time here...after all time is money people...

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Posted 10 January 2007 - 02:15 PM

LMAO. Redundant? Well.. When I have to repeat myself 5 times for you to get the picture, yeah, I'm going to seem redundant.

The reason I'm constantly speaking in terms of a military sniper is because the military sniper is what the word refers to. There is currently no other meaning. Yes, words are added and changed constantly. And when "paintball sniper" pops up in the dictionary, it will make my opinion much harder to argue. Until then... I don't think there is much of an argument for the paintball sniper other then playing with words and bending definitions. I think it may be time to just agree to disagree.
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 03:59 PM

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The only one looking like an idiot at this point is yourself. Are you that ignorant to flame a member of the staff or what buddy?


So now your using the small amount of power you have on this forum to threaten him? This is like having someone saying cops are stupid and having the nearest cop say if he says that again he will be thrown in jail. Because thats what your doing. Your saying dont flame me because i'm in a power holding position. And moniter dont get your panties in a bunch because i said there are no such things as paintball snipers. :P
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Posted 10 January 2007 - 06:39 PM

View Poststealthyeliminator, on Jan 10 2007, 02:15 PM, said:

The reason I'm constantly speaking in terms of a military sniper is because the military sniper is what the word refers to. There is currently no other meaning. Yes, words are added and changed constantly. And when "paintball sniper" pops up in the dictionary, it will make my opinion much harder to argue. Until then... I don't think there is much of an argument for the paintball sniper other then playing with words and bending definitions. I think it may be time to just agree to disagree.

I understand what you are saying in that regards man, but just because the dictionary doesn't clearly define something shouldn't mean people disregard something. You have legitimate points without a doubt, but with the specific use of the word and the environment restrictions put on the word within the sport of paintball it doesn't apply completely.

View PostDances_With_Nutz, on Jan 10 2007, 03:59 PM, said:

So now your using the small amount of power you have on this forum to threaten him? This is like having someone saying cops are stupid and having the nearest cop say if he says that again he will be thrown in jail. Because thats what your doing. Your saying dont flame me because i'm in a power holding position. And moniter dont get your panties in a bunch because i said there are no such things as paintball snipers. :)

This "small amount of power" has enough power to contact your Service Provider and have your services removed should the situation warrant that.

Unlike society today, this forum community actually has a rule that allows people to be warned, suspended, or banned from the forums. Should you come back to reality and look past a person's title, or position, you would see the rules apply to ALL members of this forum. Hell, if somebody flamed you the member would have been warned, it's not about flaming a staff member, its about flaming another member. Perhaps you should re-read that part of the forum rules eh?

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And since you clearly didn't read the rules on this community, why don't you take some time and read through them;
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Posted 11 January 2007 - 06:52 PM

serously like the bottom quote says DEBATE IT. personally at my local i am one of the sniper guys. why because i am using a gun with superior range over others, i am able to take opponents out at long range, and i do it stealthy.

you people cant get your head around the sniper fact you are thinking real world like a 30. cal hitting a fly a mile away not paintball where hitting a person at even 50ft allows you to be a sniper. the basic rifleman of paint ball will engage people at 10-30ft on average any considerable distance past that is sniping. and pinpoint accuracy wont be gained off a gun of really neat mod but off of skill and skill alone. you coould have a 10$ wal-mart gun but if you learn how to get good distance and accuracy at the same time then you are a sniper. but if you have a good gun but still engage people at close range then you are not a sniper a gun does not dictate your role your skill and way that you play does.

Thankyou for reading this now put up with it and stop flaming everyone and have a nice open discission and not make everyone mad at you to thepoint you are being threatened woth suspencion (or whatever punishment)

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Posted 12 January 2007 - 11:27 AM

what is a paintball sniper? well lets put it this way theyre morons. paintball snipers think that by adding hundred of dollars worth of accessories into their tippmanns that their going to get some sort of accuracy and range advantage. Face it people paintball guns used properly are supposed to be shooting no more than 300 fps which means that a stock spyder will shoot the same distance as your 1000 dollar q-bow.
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