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What is a Paintball Sniper? Read this and find out what we really are... Rate Topic: ****- 7 Votes

#46 User is offline   ghostinthewood 

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 08:32 PM

View Posteuglow54, on Dec 21 2006, 08:29 PM, said:

really informative post. as a medium rifleman, I understand the importance of the many positions in paintball. my only arguement with this is the fact that you call the sniper a glorified position. It is not, nor has ever been, a glorified position. When snipers were first utilized during the revolutionary war, they were considered cowards and gutless. Then, when the sniper was used during WWI, they were disbanded after the war because no one saw use in their abilities. It was only after the second wold war that US military intelligence saw use in the position of the sniper. Only in the last 50 years has the sniper become an acceptable military position.

Other than that, great post!

However, the sniper has been glorified in everything lately; movies, games, MilSim etc.

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 08:35 PM

View Posteuglow54, on Dec 21 2006, 08:29 PM, said:

you call the sniper a glorified position. It is not, nor has ever been, a glorified position.

Glorified...well if that is how it came across I apologize. The only "glorification" this position gets is all the hype around it from companies wanting to make a quick buck.

Everybody (ok not everybody, but most) new players want to be that legendary player and the majority see the paintball sniper as the quick road to paintball glory as that. The truth is that most players will find that this position was merely the gateway to their paintball experience. I have said it a lot on here, and I will certainly say it again...

The paintball sniper is a gateway for players, look at all the new players that come out to play as the sniper for their team...follow those players for about a year and then see how many are still playing the position. Many find themselves wanting a different kind of action, not everybody has the desire to sit in nature for a while and be sneaky, a lot of players want to be aggressive and in the heat of battles.


Glorified, certainly not by us, only by those making money from it... :D
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Posted 21 December 2006 - 08:37 PM

Wow. o.O I think you two missed my points...

Ghost- I meant longistics in my blog. I noted how military snipers sometimes shoot up to 1,000 yards. That's a fact. But yeah, I've seen the actual "military hand book for snipers and rangers." I read the article on camoflague...very detailed. I like it a lot. I like how they even went into detail about reflection and luster.

Monitor- Eep. Sorry if I missed something. But it looks like you sort of missed my point too, so I guess we're even. =P I won't even bother trying to reiterate. My mind is gonna explode tonight. x.x; You guys just have fun with it, 'kay? I'm not saying you can't call yourself a sniper, I'm not saying that you can't have fun. No. If I said that, I would be a nazi! =D

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P.S. Ease up on the sarcasm there, Monitor. Sarcasm is a -very- easy way to get people -very- upset with you. As you mentioned, English is amazing, and people interpret it different than they do other languages. When you use sarcasm, you hurt people, and those people can frustrated and angry because they don't understand. ;\ I'm just saying ease up a bit. I've seen so much derogatory sarcasm and put downs tonight that I'm disgusted with the performance of the vets and the mod-team on the Spec Ops forums tonight.
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Posted 21 December 2006 - 08:42 PM

View PostRuckus Fox, on Dec 21 2006, 08:37 PM, said:

P.S. Ease up on the sarcasm there, Monitor. Sarcasm is a -very- easy way to get people -very- upset with you. As you mentioned, English is amazing, and people interpret it different than they do other languages. When you use sarcasm, you hurt people, and those people can frustrated and angry because they don't understand. ;\ I'm just saying ease up a bit. I've seen so much derogatory sarcasm and put downs tonight that I'm disgusted with the performance of the vets and the mod-team on the Spec Ops forums tonight.

If you cannot handle a simple thing in life called sarcasm, I am sorry, but you will be mad at a lot of people in your lifetime.

If you had any idea, you wouldn't have even bothered posting a link to your clear "anti-sniper" campaign lessons in what is the SniperHQ...you are just asking for trouble, and you got it. Did you expect people to just roll over and not say anything? :D

Next time, maybe think before you post things, or at least think of where you post them.

As for my sarcasm, if you cannot handle my ill sense of humor, deal with it.
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Posted 21 December 2006 - 08:43 PM

View Postghostinthewood, on Dec 21 2006, 10:32 PM, said:

View Posteuglow54, on Dec 21 2006, 08:29 PM, said:

really informative post. as a medium rifleman, I understand the importance of the many positions in paintball. my only arguement with this is the fact that you call the sniper a glorified position. It is not, nor has ever been, a glorified position. When snipers were first utilized during the revolutionary war, they were considered cowards and gutless. Then, when the sniper was used during WWI, they were disbanded after the war because no one saw use in their abilities. It was only after the second wold war that US military intelligence saw use in the position of the sniper. Only in the last 50 years has the sniper become an acceptable military position.

Other than that, great post!

However, the sniper has been glorified in everything lately; movies, games, MilSim etc.

I agree. The sniper has gained an amount of prestige within the last 20 years through both Hollywood and games such as these.

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View Posteuglow54, on Dec 21 2006, 08:29 PM, said:

you call the sniper a glorified position. It is not, nor has ever been, a glorified position.

Glorified...well if that is how it came across I apologize. The only "glorification" this position gets is all the hype around it from companies wanting to make a quick buck.

Everybody (ok not everybody, but most) new players want to be that legendary player and the majority see the paintball sniper as the quick road to paintball glory as that. The truth is that most players will find that this position was merely the gateway to their paintball experience. I have said it a lot on here, and I will certainly say it again...

The paintball sniper is a gateway for players, look at all the new players that come out to play as the sniper for their team...follow those players for about a year and then see how many are still playing the position. Many find themselves wanting a different kind of action, not everybody has the desire to sit in nature for a while and be sneaky, a lot of players want to be aggressive and in the heat of battles.


Glorified, certainly not by us, only by those making money from it... :D

Please, do not apologize! You did a great job with this post, and clearly put a lot of thought into it!
I was merely pointing out the, well, ironic nature of the position. Originally the sniper was despised by even his fellow troops, and today people want to be a sniper lol!
Again, great post!
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Posted 21 December 2006 - 08:59 PM

View PostMONITOR, on Dec 21 2006, 09:42 PM, said:

View PostRuckus Fox, on Dec 21 2006, 08:37 PM, said:

P.S. Ease up on the sarcasm there, Monitor. Sarcasm is a -very- easy way to get people -very- upset with you. As you mentioned, English is amazing, and people interpret it different than they do other languages. When you use sarcasm, you hurt people, and those people can frustrated and angry because they don't understand. ;\ I'm just saying ease up a bit. I've seen so much derogatory sarcasm and put downs tonight that I'm disgusted with the performance of the vets and the mod-team on the Spec Ops forums tonight.

If you cannot handle a simple thing in life called sarcasm, I am sorry, but you will be mad at a lot of people in your lifetime.

If you had any idea, you wouldn't have even bothered posting a link to your clear "anti-sniper" campaign lessons in what is the SniperHQ...you are just asking for trouble, and you got it. Did you expect people to just roll over and not say anything? :D

Next time, maybe think before you post things, or at least think of where you post them.

As for my sarcasm, if you cannot handle my ill sense of humor, deal with it.


x.x Wow. Okay...take it easy. Now see, that's where it differs. You assumed that I hit on your sarcasm because of my anti-sniper debate sorta thing. No. It's because you're becoming a little retentive and defensive.

I agree that I shouldn't go through life assuming that people will change for my liking. But you must understand that other people, other than me, will not take kindly to your nature, and it would be best to adjust yourself accordingly. =\ By doing this, you can paint images and generalizations like I've seen on other threads. If one mod is cocky and snide, then people tend to believe that they all are, and then no one wants their opinions/help. I was just saying, you didn't need to beat me like a dead horse...

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 09:05 PM

View PostRuckus Fox, on Dec 21 2006, 08:59 PM, said:

I was just saying, you didn't need to beat me like a dead horse...

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Nor you with this debate...

Look, you put together some good points. However, you lack the key points that sets the paintball sniper apart from the one you are talking about in your blog man...its just that simple. If at any point in my life I thought that life was nothing but "roses" and people wouldn't think I was a prick, I would have to pinch myself. Clearly people have differences of opinions, thoughts, and personalities. This reminds me of the magnet on the back of our vehicle that states "Support Individuality"...

Be yourself, that is what I do, and I don't expect everybody to like me for it...
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Posted 21 December 2006 - 09:21 PM

You're that concentrated on the debate, aren't you? I dropped that last page, in case you didn't notice. x.x You don't let things go easily do you?...

About the bumper stickers...eh. I don't like bumper stickers. If I see them in South Dakota, it's usually a "Smile, your mom chose life! =D" or some other stupid thing like that that just makes me want to drag the driver out and punch them (which I wouldn't do.) but there are just certain ways to conduct yourself and I was just saying that it seemed rather...well...unprofessional. Meh. I'll leave this topic alone from here on out. Enjoy your debate then, sir.

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Posted 21 December 2006 - 11:37 PM

Hot dang.. Post much? It would take me a week to reply to all of these posts. I'll try and tackle that whopper first.

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View PostPhillips, on Apr 20 2006, 05:45 PM, said:

Well I have a dictionary infront of me that doesnt describe it in those ways. I was mearly trying to make a point of having NO debate. We could cal them sharpshooters though you dont have to have range for that.

You dont for snipers either. Range is a thing that has only recently been associated with snipers.Wrong. Even during the Revolutionary war through the Civil War snipers engaged their enemy from very long ranges. This means for their 200+yr history, only about 1/6 of that has been closely associated with range. 1/6 Isnt a lot for the 5/4 of you who dont understand fractions.

They didnt define sniping, they got it refined for the Marine Corp., as they believed they didnt need snipers.While this may not be wrong, it's not the whole truth. They didn't just change sniping to be accepted. They showed how it could be effective. Without what they did in Nam I honestly don't believe that sniping would be what it is today.

Mr. Hathcock, and others, have said its pointless to take 1000+m shots when you could walk and easy 2-400 more meters without being deteced from that distance.Which still leaves you at how many meters? Lets see, 1000-500(I'll be generous)=500 meters. When you can get a paintball to travel 500 meters with a muzzle velocity of 300 fps, let me know. Sure range was an advantage for them, but against Ak's that outranged our M16's(400m). Not to mentions the snipers, if you have read all the books, faced Quads. Those were anti-aircraft weapons. So, that brings the range out even farther.Granted their weapons weren't always longer range then their enemies. But that isn't the point. Their weapons were still long range. Meaning more then 100 yards. There would be no way to make a snipers weapon longer range then any other weapon on the battle field. With that reasoning what would happen when a sniper went against another sniper? Would he loose his title because the other snipers weapon shot the same distance? Not to mention his favorite poison was the Browning .50. Thats a machine gun. Yes he did. The Browning 50 cal also had a slow enough rate of fire that he could squeeze off single rounds. He use this as a sniper rifle, not as a machine gun. He used it to shoot extremely long distances. He has a recorded shot with his Browning of, if my memory serves, over 1000 yards. Yes, you read that right. He did not point and shoot this thing. He used his scope, he fired one well aimed round at a time. Big difference then what I assume your trying to imply here by stating he used a machine gun. The fact he used one proves nothing.

If you had done your research and read more than just the adventures about Mr. Hathcock, then you would have known that for awhile the Marine snipers were using M1C's and D's. These are simply modified M1's with basically a cheeck piece and a scope.again I'm not seeing your point. Notice the modified part. You can have a 98 Custom become what you would call a "sniper" and you can modify it to become a speedball marker. Whoppie. The scope doesn't increase range, but it does increase effective range. The gun doesn't make the sniper, as you guys have said in your stickies. I'm not saying you have to be able to shoot farther then everyone else. I'm saying you have to shoot far. Those are the same weapons that were used for basic Infrantry in Korea and WWII. You could go all the way back through time and find that most sniper rifles are just modified infrantry rifles. There were countless muzzleloaders that people used during the first few wars that shaped our nation, that people called snipers because they were consistant. Look at Davy Crockett. He used a muzzeloader, thats all there was.If you had done your research and read more then just the adventures about Davy Crockett you'd know that muzzleloaders could vary quite a bit in effective range back then. Although I've already said you need range, not more range then, I find it amusing that you'd use that as a point when it contradicts what you've said earlier. However, hes known as a great shot. Of course you can make custom handloads and this and that but he wasnt a gunsmith nor had the tools to do this. He just did what he did because he practiced that way.

Heres a short list to back myself some on infrantry gone sniper.

Lee Enfield Mk 1 - Lee Enfield Mk1(T)
Springfield - 1903A4
Mosin Nagant - Mosin Nagant 1891-30
M1 - M1D
Galil - Galil Sniper Rifle
AK - Dragonuv SVD/SVU/VSS/VSK
M14 - M21/M25
Mauser 98 - Mauser SP66/Mauser 86SR
G3 - PSG1/MSG90
AR-15/M16 - AR-10/SR-25

As you can see, our last 3 assault rifles have sniper rifle counter parts. The Ruskies have us beat with their AK turning out 4 sniper rifles.

Also, as a kinda side note, the Barret series of .50's were made as a lighter, more mobile, version of the Browning Ma Deuce. So that means the Browning machine gun has turned out the M82's, M90, M95, M99, M500, and inspired the 20mm M107 whenever production begins on it.

Then you have all sorts of G3's, Mausers, and tons of WWI area guns used in WWII as bolt action sniper rifles.

If Mr. Hathcock were around, I'm sure he woudl agree, that today's military snipers arent what they used to be. They're using .50 weapons, not because its more effcient, but because they can. In Nam and other conflicts if you ahd to lug that thing around and then try to hide its report, then you would get blown to bits the moment after the bullet hit its target.Yeah... Sometimes.. And that, my friend, is what Carlos seeked to end. That's one thing he did. Revolutionize sniping tactics. Change and define what sniping is. Not just him, there are tons of snipers during that time that succeded this way. Sure they have the range, but theres not as much skill involved as there used to be. However, once we go back to Korea that will change. Thats another debate however.

In any case, until recently, snipers were going back to the original meaning. Snipers originally got their name from the Snipe birds they had to have skill to hunt and shoot in and around British occupied India(if memory serves).thank you for that history lesson They were hunters with a good shot. Not a long shot mind you, you couldnt see the birds from too far a distance.And then the word was adapted into the military. Words change. This one hasn't changed from the military use yet. Until it does, I don't think your sniping when you play paintball. Nowadays most of the sniper rifles are built on sporting rifle actions. HK has their own line of sporting rifles closely resembleing some of their military rifles. Even at that I've of heard people using the world renouned PSG-1 as a hunting rifle for larger, faster, game. Then theres companies like CZ, Savage, Saco, Beretta, Springfield, Mauser, Walther, Armalite, Winchester, and Remmington who all make hutning rifles, are making military rifles.And they've done so for how long Now? I really don't see the point in this. What does it matter who produces the rifles?Aside from a few finer points here and there the rifles are the same. Oh, we are still on the rifles are the same thing. I guess I'll say it again in case you don't remember from above, the range of your weapon doesn't need to be longer then the enemies to make you a sniper. If that were the case, we'd have snipers in paintball. The flatline and apex barrels increase range. However that isn't the case. You need range, not more range then the other guy. After all, the original M40 was a tuned Remmington 7000, after it beat out the Winchester 70, with an Unertl 10x scope. One of my buddies dad has the same set up, except prolly tuned better. Disregarding the fact that he's a police sniper, would he be a sniper? Better yet, what about one of my other buddies who's dad has an M24, AR-15 and 10? Is he a sniper? He has the range and he can use it well, but hes not a sniper.

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Why are you questioning me? [b]This comment was directed at whoever was question my reason for posting. Asking why anyone would care, etc. I don't care if you question my points pertaining to the debate. However, asking why anyone should care isn't debating, it's picking a fight. That was what that statement was directed at. Feel free to question any of my points at any time.

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Just because I disagree?
Look at all the reasons everyone thinks paintball snipers exists, everyone has different points. The people that 'agree' dont agree as to why. So that cant be the case.

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I could understand it if I was trying to cause problems or something. But for that post? Why?
Easy, your saying you dont agree with a large number of people as to why they call themselves what they've been calling themselves forawhile. Luckily they're not a majority, otherwise they might have their own forum with sub forums! *Gasp* :D

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 12:24 AM

Instead of making things a bigger pain in the DUMPER to read, I'm just going to go down the list of whats bold print. If you cant keep up then its your fault.

Muzzleloaders can only handle so much. There are different load outs and different types of muzzloader but thats comparing a .17 hornet and a .17HMR. Its still a .17. Again, its not like I would know much about them since thats the only gun people use around here for miles since rifles arent allowed. :dodgy: Coincidentally, the two loadouts mentioned(.17's and muzzeloaders) have about the same effective range. "I have many times asked the American backwoodsman what was the most their best marksmen could do; they have constantly told me that an expert marksman, provided he can draw good & true sight, can hit the head of a man at 200 yards," ~ Col George Hanger. Though the quote was before the term sniper came about, historians consider most of the marksmen referred to as snipers.



Sniping had been around in other countries for many years. How do you think we were getting our DUMPER kicked in Nam in the first place.

Not talking about paintball, talking about realitive range. So if an assault rifle shoots 500 and your shooting at 600, you dont have much of an advantage. That was the point, thanks for dodging it. :)

War is war. You dont pit one thign against another, that would be too fair. You have to consider all the different angles. Sure they have the infrantry beat, but whats keeping them alive from everything else? The infrantry can pull out their tricks as well, so what keep them alive? Its skill THAT sir, is the point you are missing.

Of course he had a scope, do you know how hard it is to see lil kids on bikes from a 1000, let alone hit them. I brought up that point to refer to it later and to point out, who normally uses machine guns? Thats right, infrantry and their support. They have the same range as a sniper when you consider all the factors. Afterall, this is war.

If your just trying to say that you have to shoot far then you have to consider range is realitie. A logn range shot with a bow is 50yrds. A long range shot with a muzzleloader and shotgun is 200yrds. A long range shot for a .223 is 500yrds A longe range shot for a .308 is about 800. A long range shot for a .50 is 1000+. Range is realitive.

Again, muzzeloaders and their tolerance. Refer to first response and local gunsmiths. Or the history channel once they get on their patriotic streak. They had a whole section on muzzleloaders back in the day. The Military had a nice progression of rifles as well and showed muzzeloaders in detail. So nice of you to skip over all the middle section there. In any case, if you had one, that would only explain muzzeloaders.

Alright, then you'd agree, that range isnt all there is too it. Afterall, you didnt deny my arguement. That ought to put your whole 'range' bit to rest, but it won't so I'll continue. Moreso, your missing an indirect point you see. As rounds keep getting better and better, the range will get longer and longer. Since snipers of old arent shootin far for todays standards, then that means they arent snipers according to you. When lasers from space are able to take down targets, does that mean when somone has to shoot somone through a window or stalk that their not snipers anymore because they dont have the range? According to you, yes because thats all that matters. However, its not. Range is realitive and its only a mere tool in the aresenal we have to choose from. The two most powerful weapons I, and other sniprs have, is patience and time. Whether they be paintball snipers, SWAT snipers, hunters, or Mil snipers.

Alright so if you paid attention to the history and how sniping is ▒ hunting in a sense. Hunting the ultimate game with all odds against you. Which is why they do more 'scouting' than 'hunting'. Literally and metaphorically speaking.

We are adopting it into the paintball world. For almost as long as snipers have had an actual range advantage, PAINTBALL snipers have been associated with paintball(hmm). It hasnt changed because no one has tryed to change it. Paintball changed it 20yrs ago.

Again, just pointing out how sniping is loosely based on hunting. And setting up a point to end the paragraph, that you also managed to skip.

Oh, we're still on the range thing again. Its all relative man.


Well since you dont think I research enough let me inform you on a little group of snipers in WWII. There was about 12 of them if memory serves. Half of them were Indians. All of them were just guys who were asked if they were a good shot and were given a rifle with a scope. They could use them of course but they chose not to. Proud of their heritage they used tomohawks. They would wait for a Jerry to come by, sever his spine, and scalp him as a souvenir. They would cover each other with their excellent shots of course, but they never really had to. The best part of it is they would use the bodies as bait. Scalp them and then leave them leaning against a tree or somthing like that. Since they were dead to rights it wouldnt make a sound. So next thing you know Jerry's buddy is lookin for him and they get him as well. This was only on the rear guard guys since the German's were fallin back so they had some leeway. However, id you bring a tomohawk to a gun fight you know what your doing. Which is the major point your missing. Its not WHAT you do its HOW you do it. If somone were to sit in a spot with a .50 in Iraq and just wait for people to get into their crosshair and shoot, is that sniping? No, and Mr. Hathcock would agree. Sniping is a fieldcraft. If you have time for arts and crafts, then your not doing a field craft. Refer to the time he took out the high ranking official. Did he just sit on his bum and shoot at him from way out yonder? Hardly.

Last but not least, SWAT snipers. Unlike what you see in movies, swat snipers get very close. So close in fact they have two rifles. Their 'tac' rifle, and their 'work' rifle. Those work rifles are .22's. They get close enough to take out dogs, lamps, etc. in support for swat teams. .22's arent that accurate in the LR cartridge so you'd have to be pretty close. I know 100yrds is pushing it to take a coyote with my mag, 75 is effective. So i'd give the .22LR 50yrds. Coincidentally, thats about where the SWAT/Police snipers set up. Sure they can set up on buildings, but since cities make up on a small percentage of the land mass, they normally just get close for a better shot. Not to mention in high risk situations its nice to know that even though your at 50yrds, you can get a 1/4MOA with the rifle your using. Thats not long range though, so I guess their not snipers. I'll go let the SWAT team know they need to forget those patches . . . Fifty yards, those are nice double taps for gog's. Wish I had my flattie somtimes so I wouldnt need the extra tap.

Lets also refer to this thread . . .

http://forum.specialopspaintball.com/index...showtopic=91424

If we arent paintball snipers, then what kind of gear are you lookin for in a paintball forum? :P

Oh thats right, trying to stir. Ask a question you dont want answered, thats like saying you died and then just 'j/k' just to see what people would do. You havnt STARTED an arguement, I'll give you that though.

Honestly though, to everyone, if you dont like the term sniper then dont post in the forum. There are plenty of other positions and since you see the sniper as insignifigant then you could just go to another forum and post. If its just the name that bothers you, thats just silly. Thats like getting Sunny-D to change its name to Sunny-C6H12O6 because it has more sugar than Vitamin D. Some people think the D stands for the vitamin associated with the sun, others think its delight. Six and half dozen to another. It doesnt really matter.

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 11:05 AM

All of y'all are going to have carpal tunnel by time this debate is over...

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Posted 22 December 2006 - 12:52 PM

View PostHeadshotPhantom, on Dec 22 2006, 11:05 AM, said:

All of y'all are going to have carpal tunnel by time this debate is over...

I'm already on joint med's for my knees, though its universal, so I can go awhile.
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Posted 22 December 2006 - 06:15 PM

Just thought I would share this with everybody who reads this.

I sent a PM to Ruckus Fox explaining to him a few issues, all I get in return essentially is the following;

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Now, I hate to not let things go here, but I have an obligation to provide factual and unbiased information on these forums to my fellow players out there. Rukus clearly has a biased, and no desire to learn from others...I just thought you all should know that when reading his posts here...

I will no longer waste my time on a member who clearly has no desire to learn, or be open minded on issues...

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 12:34 AM

Fact -
Paintball-
1.) A game in which players on one team seek to eliminate those on an opposing team by marking them with a water-soluble dye shot in capsules from air guns.
2.) The dye-filled gelatinous capsule shot from guns in this game

Sniper-
1.) A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
2.) One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.

Opinion-
"sniper's don't exist in paintball, you are doing something close to it"
"snipers don't exist in paintball because you cannot shoot 1000 yards"
"snipers don't exist in paintball because you there is no such thing as one shot one kill in paintball"
"snipers don't exist {insert reason here}

Fact -
Correct, snipers do not exist in paintball, but paintball snipers do exist in paintball.

That is another argument I've seen before. And this will probably be my last comment in this thread. I don't find in it necessay enough to argue to have to keep up with this many posts. If you find it necessay enough to argue to pm I'll be glad to debate that way because it will be much easier to read responces and reply to them. But I can't in this thread. Too many developments happening at once.

So, while out here in the real world, I'm white, right? But when I play paintball, I can be blue, right? I'm paintball blue. Yes, I know, my skin isn't really blue. But it's ok because I added paintball to the word. It's a different word now. It's new. It's something completely different. And I'm blue. It means that I wear camo. Yeah, thats right. I'm paintball blue and that means I wear camo.

That makes no sense. Even by adding the word paintball blue doesn't change meaning. Even by adding the word paintball to sniper it doesn't change meaning. If you want to go around making up words then by all means do so but I'm going to continue to speak english and in english you aren't a sniper when you play paintball. Might as well PM me if you feel like responding. Apparently I'm one of the only ones on here to disagree and I doubt I'll respond in this thread again so it would really do you no good to respond in this thread.

Well actually I decided to skim through and I'll make make this comment as well.

Apparently I'm not making this clear enough. I DO NOT believe that RELATIVE range is important when defining a sniper. Range, yes, more range then the other guy, no.

Lazers from space? Why go that far? There are TONS of weapons that outrange sniper rifles and have been for many many years. Take artillery for example. And dare I mention the fact that shooting people isn't the only role of a sniper? Numerous times in the past they've been used to direct artillery and air strikes.

You see, the shooting people role of the sniper is just ONE way that makes the term not fit to a paintball player.

If you start to touch the other aspects of the sniper, I'm sure you'd very quickly become convinced that the word sniper doesn't fit any position in paintball no matter what. Again, I can't read and reply to every post in this thread so if you want a reply then please pm me so it will be easier on me.

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Posted 23 December 2006 - 01:07 AM

View Poststealthyeliminator, on Dec 23 2006, 12:34 AM, said:

Lazers from space? Why go that far? There are TONS of weapons that outrange sniper rifles and have been for many many years. Take artillery for example. And dare I mention the fact that shooting people isn't the only role of a sniper? Numerous times in the past they've been used to direct artillery and air strikes.

You see, the shooting people role of the sniper is just ONE way that makes the term not fit to a paintball player.

If you start to touch the other aspects of the sniper, I'm sure you'd very quickly become convinced that the word sniper doesn't fit any position in paintball no matter what. Again, I can't read and reply to every post in this thread so if you want a reply then please pm me so it will be easier on me.

Without relative range long range is just opinion. Again, your denying early snipers their credibility when everyone else has given it to them and rightfully so.

You can gather intel from GPS, you can call in air strikes and such as well. Its just not as reliable. In a couple years though, that will change. Thanks for dancing around a couple other things and the indirect point. Unlike Monitor I am not blunt.

In any case, I scout and sit to gather intel for my team all the time. I'm working on a way to use a GPS radio to have accurate 'long range' support from some 'artillery' pieces we're working on. Not long ranger per se, but its long range for paintball. So the role of forward observer, which artillery has a man assigned for not just the sniper, will also be filled by me and my partner. I dont know what kind of people you play with, maybe they're just campers, but I know all of the experienced snipers that I play with or keep in contact with follow closely to the ways of the military snipers(see how I used military snipers). In any case you forgot that snipers are based on hunters. I wrote about that already so I wont repeat myself.

You totally forgot SWAT snipers(see how i used SWAT snipers). They dont call in air strikes, gather intel, or anything of that nature. They just shoot. Hopefully none of those robbers throws a rock at them and scratches their lens.

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