What is a Paintball Sniper? Read this and find out what we really are...
Posted 02 August 2007 - 08:35 PM
OK lets look at the sppl, name one team who has one a qualifier who had a member who wore a ghillie suit and played the true sniper role. One shot one kill, stalk for hours, and retreat? THIS my friends is a sniper. I played in the Oregon SPPL, the top 6 teams did not have one "sniper" and wasted all of those who thought they did. You can argue it as much as you want but in the SPPL (competitive woodsball) snipers are redundant. It's obvious I'd rather have a speedballer with a faster gun and quick on his feet then a true sniper.
Now, before you paintball snipers get angry and send me hatemail. let me say this. In a scenario enviroment (dday, emr conquest, etc) paintball snipers do have a place. But they really shouldn't be called snipers. They may have a ghillie on and might not be able to be seen. That is good stuff man that can really slow down an opposition in a scenario. I like Specops term Ghost flanker personally. But the term sniper isn't just someone who is stealthy and has a ghillie. It is a true one shot one kill nearly invincible force. You might just be that when your playing with your buddies in your back yard. But come play against Cal Gridlock, Forest Demons, or any other type of SPPL style team and you will not be able to hang. Just doesn't happen guys..sorry, history in the SPPL has shown us that. Now if a sniper team of 10 wins a qualifier then I stand corrected and will edit this post saying I was wrong.
So in conclusion, scenario's=snipers are ok and can be used effectively.
any type of competitive woods game=keep the ghillie at home because it will serve you no good
P.s. before someone pops out and says "oh yeah I shot 17 people out at the last sppl in my Ghillie" yes you may have, but did you win the qualifier? Or were you outdid by a faster team who had the swing base flag up before you could get a good spot? just a question, I could be wrong though, maybe someone on here is the Tom Berennger of paintball, I never know...
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Posted 11 August 2007 - 03:22 PM
An average paintball player who plays with his friends in the woods behind his house may win every game by being sneaky and poppin people with one shot every time may call himself a sniper, but if he goes to a field and pays against people who have been playing for a long time, he will get lit up. There are few people in the world that can call themselves true paintball snipers.
This post has been edited by lightheavygunner: 11 August 2007 - 03:24 PM
Why try to hit someone with one ball when you can unload an entire hopper on'em, that ways
Posted 21 February 2008 - 03:13 PM
and by calling them ambush snipers and ghost flankers is what spec ops is doing as they might have seen what you did. yes i used ambush snipers. easily defined as this to me, a lone man with ghillie and accuracy on his gun holding up a squad of attackers to irritate and demoralize them till further help arrives to finish them off or give your defense a chance to prepare for the onslaught of the attacking force.
Posted 16 June 2008 - 09:47 PM
You dont for snipers either. Range is a thing that has only recently been associated with snipers. This means for their 200+yr history, only about 1/6 of that has been closely associated with range. 1/6 Isnt a lot for the 5/4 of you who dont understand fractions.
They didnt define sniping, they got it refined for the Marine Corp., as they believed they didnt need snipers.
Mr. Hathcock, and others, have said its pointless to take 1000+m shots when you could walk and easy 2-400 more meters without being deteced from that distance. Sure range was an advantage for them, but against Ak's that outranged our M16's(400m). Not to mentions the snipers, if you have read all the books, faced Quads. Those were anti-aircraft weapons. So, that brings the range out even farther. Not to mention his favorite poison was the Browning .50. Thats a machine gun.
If you had done your research and read more than just the adventures about Mr. Hathcock, then you would have known that for awhile the Marine snipers were using M1C's and D's. These are simply modified M1's with basically a cheeck piece and a scope. Those are the same weapons that were used for basic Infrantry in Korea and WWII. You could go all the way back through time and find that most sniper rifles are just modified infrantry rifles. There were countless muzzleloaders that people used during the first few wars that shaped our nation, that people called snipers because they were consistant. Look at Davy Crockett. He used a muzzeloader, thats all there was. However, hes known as a great shot. Of course you can make custom handloads and this and that but he wasnt a gunsmith nor had the tools to do this. He just did what he did because he practiced that way.
Heres a short list to back myself some on infrantry gone sniper.
Lee Enfield Mk 1 - Lee Enfield Mk1(T)
Springfield - 1903A4
Mosin Nagant - Mosin Nagant 1891-30
M1 - M1D
Galil - Galil Sniper Rifle
AK - Dragonuv SVD/SVU/VSS/VSK
M14 - M21/M25
Mauser 98 - Mauser SP66/Mauser 86SR
G3 - PSG1/MSG90
AR-15/M16 - AR-10/SR-25
As you can see, our last 3 assault rifles have sniper rifle counter parts. The Ruskies have us beat with their AK turning out 4 sniper rifles.
Also, as a kinda side note, the Barret series of .50's were made as a lighter, more mobile, version of the Browning Ma Deuce. So that means the Browning machine gun has turned out the M82's, M90, M95, M99, M500, and inspired the 20mm M107 whenever production begins on it.
Then you have all sorts of G3's, Mausers, and tons of WWI area guns used in WWII as bolt action sniper rifles.
If Mr. Hathcock were around, I'm sure he woudl agree, that today's military snipers arent what they used to be. They're using .50 weapons, not because its more effcient, but because they can. In Nam and other conflicts if you ahd to lug that thing around and then try to hide its report, then you would get blown to bits the moment after the bullet hit its target. Sure they have the range, but theres not as much skill involved as there used to be. However, once we go back to Korea that will change. Thats another debate however.
In any case, until recently, snipers were going back to the original meaning. Snipers originally got their name from the Snipe birds they had to have skill to hunt and shoot in and around British occupied India(if memory serves). They were hunters with a good shot. Not a long shot mind you, you couldnt see the birds from too far a distance. Nowadays most of the sniper rifles are built on sporting rifle actions. HK has their own line of sporting rifles closely resembleing some of their military rifles. Even at that I've of heard people using the world renouned PSG-1 as a hunting rifle for larger, faster, game. Then theres companies like CZ, Savage, Saco, Beretta, Springfield, Mauser, Walther, Armalite, Winchester, and Remmington who all make hutning rifles, are making military rifles. Aside from a few finer points here and there the rifles are the same. After all, the original M40 was a tuned Remmington 7000, after it beat out the Winchester 70, with an Unertl 10x scope. One of my buddies dad has the same set up, except prolly tuned better. Disregarding the fact that he's a police sniper, would he be a sniper? Better yet, what about one of my other buddies who's dad has an M24, AR-15 and 10? Is he a sniper? He has the range and he can use it well, but hes not a sniper.
yes but ur are forgetting the most important vesion of the berret heavy caliber guns the M82A1 50.CAl
Posted 17 June 2008 - 08:12 PM
................ Flippy the Wonder Bunny, Ace and MaDuce like ducks with a passion. My color is white. Morrowind addict.
Posted 20 June 2008 - 12:55 AM
i get alot of crap on the field about how i look like bigfoot or whatever
and alot of people bash the "sniper" but its just a way of playing the game
and sniper to snipers there is somthing you can do for consistant shots at very decent ranges
sure the apex and flatline will get you alot more distance it not doing anything for you cause you cant hit anything
but theres a way to get strait shots if you have the money and know someone who can do it
go get your barrel rifled, that is if your not scared of your 60 dollar piece of pipe getting ruined
i had a friend [who is VERY good with metal] to put a groove rifeling into my barrel
you need a good paint/barrel match but if all goes well that 20 inch you wated all your money on IS actually more acurate than the 18 16 14 ect ect
make sure you have someone who knows what theyre doing or your gonna have a barrel that soots away from what is shooting at you
before you send me hate its just advice take it if you want or dont
but it was worth my time and im hoping that it can help all the snipers out there
Posted 29 June 2008 - 09:00 AM
I have no sig, because I am cool like that.
I love my phantom, because it is cool like that....schweet
Posted 24 August 2008 - 11:01 AM
Posted 24 August 2008 - 03:36 PM
(Quote-weltmaker2000) I don't call my guns pumps. I refer to them as euthanizers of the stupid.
Posted 29 August 2008 - 12:15 PM
One technical question to take my feedback and Iam off...
Q: "Does anyone around here knows whats a Squad's Marksman and whats a Sniper Element?"
To make it more interesting I must say that many of you people confuse your instincts with reality. What I mean? Eg. Check the backyard boys playing basketball and check the pros how they play, what is their difference? Dont be so hasty to say training and bla bla bla...
The major difference is their initial knowledge. Its What they trained for...not when, where and how much...
So, since all paintballs (based to simple physics) have the same range less or more... how can someone be a sniper? And what that has to do with a Marksman?
Take it you have a 21pbs 18'' Marker with a red dor on it...lets say a SP8 Support Ed. You and 2 other guys took a house and hold on a path...suddenly you engage this guys coming from the woods. YES, your SP8 is their main problem, and dont start with -"The are running like Marion, or they have an EGO with them etc..". You are heavily bunkered and covered. Suddenly from nowhere you get a splat on the mask...from where? IT WAS THEIR MARKSMAN my friend...A guy with a simple 1-5, about 16'' barrel zeroed to >100feet his scope and light on his load...
On the above senario ver.2.0 lets say that again you are sitting on the window looking for tangos so bored that no one has already appeared...to bad cause suddenly you get a splat on the face from a tree!!!!???? Yes my friend...s happens...
So, decide either you are a marksman or a sniper and play like. The rest of you just cant decide...probably is your team's problem that you dont get utilized correctly...whatever.
For you people that you tent to run with a speedball marker wearing red and blue and yellow in a wood scenery,running like crazy and shooting around ok...I think you confused the game... and by the way, be carefull, colorful clothes and violent moves can be seen from 500m away from a patient sniper covering your path...
Forgive me for the "fasttalk" but I cant stand watching anymore people snobbing on something they can not be because no one showed them how to...
Posted 19 February 2009 - 12:32 PM
Posted 21 April 2011 - 03:57 PM
Paintballers that call themselves "snipers" are 95% tards...BUT (before they shoot me in the head for saying that)...they "do" exist and the ones that are "really" good at it can cause massive problems for opposing forces.
Two different ways I've seen paintball "snipers" be effective:
- Guy in guille suit- I've walked past guys in large scenario games and nearly pooped myself when all the sudden the bush starts asking me questions. Now, it ONLY works in large games, not in walk on firefights. AND it takes MEGA patience to just sit out there like that all day, maybe getting 1-2 kills. But if you've ever been walking along in a scenario game and when you stop next to a tree have someone say "do you surrender"...you'll understand.
- Now, here's the way "snipers" are actually MOST effective. Again, mostly in bigger games. I've been walking through an area with a team of guys before and all of the sudden someone yells "sniper!". That ONE GUY can hold down 5-9 players, in ONE area, for a LONG time. And he doesn't even need to shoot. Once he's made his presence known, the other team is paralyzed trying to figure out where he's at.
Now, I've never had the patience for option 1. But I can tell you I've been on both sides of option 2, and it is VERY effective. I've been in groups where we literally just turned around and went a different way because a sniper was in the area. And I've played "sniper" where my whole team gets beaten back and I just lay in the bush as the other team walks past me. There's no scarier feeling in the world than knowing you're a glance away from being shot. But there also is no more satisfying feeling in paintball than being able to pop up behind a group of players that just walked by you and start gunning them down in the back.
That's my take.