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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:31 AM

Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Day 283



Time the tempest
Spiraling down
Grasping what is nearest
Gasping not to drown


Some of the prophecies of the end times say that the coastlands will be swept away, the lowlands will be swallowed and the mountains will be laid low. This sounds alot like earthquakes, floods and tidal waves. If you should happen to survive the events of Dec 21, 2012 ... you find that piece of ground that wasn't destroyed or swallowed up .. i have a purely hypothetical question for you ....

You can either take unlimited seeds and unlimited fertilization with you, or you can take a weapon and unlimited ammunition .... the rest after that is unknown. you may or may not be safe, you may or may not meet others, you do not know what the future holds ... but those are your only two choices
Which would you choose ?
And why ?

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 01:29 PM

I'll take the gun and ammo. Defense and possible hunting tool. And if I really am the only one left....
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:31 PM

Depends on the weapon, and the seeds.

Do I have access to other tools? Is a knife, axe, hatchet, tomahawk, or machete considered a weapon? How about a shovel? What kind of fertilizer?

Can it only be a single weapon with unlimited ammo, or is a matching set or small collection an option?

If I have no tools to help to plant all those seeds, then they had better be edible seeds (pumpkin, sunflower, etc). I can make explosives from ammonium nitrate fertilizer and all of the listed tools can be used as weapons.

BUT, I can harvest local edibles (pine bark, various wild grasses, pecans, wild blackberries, etc), and can harvest game with most any firearm available.

If I can only have one firearm, period, it'd be a .357 Magnum with a full underlug 6" target barrel and a good trigger job. Colt Python, S&W 586/686 series, and Ruger GP100 come to mind. I can use .38 Special wadcutters to take small game at close range, shotshells for vermin (both control and harvesting) and full house .357s for defense and medium to large game hunting. The biggest animals I'll ever encounter in my AO are black bears, and a 158 grain hardcast will break through their skulls and shoulders. If possible, I'd get a matching lever action just to juice up my bullet energy and effective range.

But a knife is a higher priority than a gun to me in a survival situation. With a good knife I can make primitive bows, spears, traps, etc and harvest tricky food sources. I can flint knap arrow or spear heads, but not a good carbon steel knife.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:44 PM

lol ... you put way more thought into your answert than i did my question.

would you consider migrating ? i might try to head as far west and south as the coastline would let me, unless i end up in the desert.. who knows where the new beachfronts will be.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 05:52 PM

While I'm technically in the coastal plain of NC, I'm on the western edge of it, only a few minutes from bumping up to the higher elevation of the Piedmont/Sandhills area. The water would have to rise a whole hell of a lot to push me back further than 30 minutes west.

And if I had to, I could torch it (i.e. hit US Rt. 74 doing 90+) and be in the Appalachian Mountains in just over 3 hours If it can crest Mt. Mitchell (highest point east of the Mississippi), then I'll accept it's out of my hands.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:08 PM

I picked up a book on edible plants and berries and the like. They even have a few rudimentary menus and ways to prepare it. I think it would be important to have someone in your troupe with food prep skills and carry some kinds of seasonings, and know how to make them from what is out in nature. That is kinda why i got the book. I would prefer to be a part of a group, but that in itself also hass issues. I will miss the hell out of rock n roll.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 06:16 PM

I won't mention I went to culinary school and regularly cook for a sitting state senator then. :D

I can take a deer from death to ready to cook/store/preserve in less than a half hour. Squirrels and rabbits in minutes. And a spice rack on par with most professional kitchens.

Two good things to store are salt and vinegar. They don't expire and can be used to preserve almost anything.

After that, black peppercorns. Fresh black pepper is probably my favorite seasoning. After that, granulated garlic (not garlic powder), dehydrated onion, and something with some kick (cayenne or chilli powder) round out a solid base to work from.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:05 PM

well hell, i can see right now that my best plan would be to just move to the coastal plains of NC and i'll carry your crap for ya .. hahaha
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 07:15 PM

OMG Jupitor and Venus are lighning up!


Ok this might be the first bit of true evidence of the Myans that Im willing to admit, now if only our version of thier better math wasnt so off.

I need to look into a battery back up for my heater with a solar recharge option.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:06 PM

The skills ain't that hard to pick up, and 99% of the stuff can be found at Wal-mart. I just happen to live far enough out in the sticks that I can walk outside and go find somewhere/something to practice. And like I said, I'm an outdoorsman. Been hunting since I was old enough to have a BB gun. Minus the majority of high school where I was the consummate fat gaming slob.

Oh, this weekend I made a "throwing star" with two sharpened sticks notched and tied together with paracord. After I drug myself out of the fog from Saturday Night's drinking. Apparently they can be used to harvest small game. I got pretty good, hit a soda bottle at 10 full paces. Too bad I didn't know the area well enough to stalk for rabbits.

As for heat, got a kerosene heater, some fuel, and I still remember where my grandpa's fuel tanks (One Kerosene and One Diesel) are (though admittedly someone else owns the property now). I know they had stabilizer in them, now I just need to hope that they haven't leaked or corroded. And that 15 years isn't too much to ask of stabilizer. And electric blankets with one of those uninterrupted backups for a computer. The blankets are very low draw, so one can string the power out for a few days with judicious use.

Maybe I need more fuel . . .

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:46 PM

@PW Ok your 'star' is best used with a sidearm toss that is best done in a 30' motion from back to front, effective range on small critter is within 15 yards. Hopefully you didnt make your 'star' but considering the research you seem to put into this I think you probally did ok. And dont bother with sharp points on it, blunt force trauma is its design.
Also dont count on liquid fuel even with a stabilizer for more than 12 months nothing worse than cleanin out filters on heaters when its freakin freezing cold and you need fantastic dexterity to get into those tiny spots.

Now someone posted a link to kukrihouse.com Those blades are excellent for woods use, they made a 'survival' version that came with a dinky little one but the primary kukri was about 8" long and worked fine. One issue with it was that the bevel isnt what it could be and this complaint I will bring up with any shelf purchased knive. Maybe if I wasnt making blades then I probally wouldnt complain about it.
Regardless the kukri is a fantastic chop blade and for wood gathering, shooting lane creating, small game decapitation and squire processing Ive loved it. Currently own 4 kukri's but thats only because I had a self produced problem with kukri house and ended up purchasing more than intended. That episode lead to a fantastic lesson on online shoping.

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Learning to eat what grows all around is awesome but for the love of god know what your eating before you eat it. Cooked meat will feed you, most green stuff wants to hurt you. Sadly you have to look very closely at the author of any 'eat this leaf' book and find out if they even know where you live and what grows around you.

Also after reading this thread Im seeing lots of 'preps' but little 'plans' and a plan is worth more than a week food and water. Just wanting to help y'all out.
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 10:04 PM

anybody go outside and look at venus and saturnJUPITER ? if you have a clear sky you should check it out.



edited after 1-I ...8 planets, really ?? what happened to uranus ?? lololol ... j/k

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 10:27 PM

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That's how I was throwing it, similar to a boomerang toss. A buddy saw it in one of my books and wanted to try it. I had nothing better to do. Not sure I prefer it to a good stick, but it looks intimidating.

IIRC, you are quite the archer. Care to give an opinion on longbow vs. recurve for an aspiring archery novice?
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Posted 13 March 2012 - 10:43 PM

Ah yes, what bow should I start with.

Now on that question all alone I always want to say recurve. Simple design that is easy to care for and forgiving to a beginer. But the reality is what bow support do you have in the area or what lenght are you willing to get to get supplies, recure/traditional archery suppliese are not usuallly found in your local shop-mart.

Now if I paid enough attention you are in the tenn state area and if Im correct that is a relativly humid area. Humidity can kill a recurve bow that is held by glue. Also what is the intended target of your arrow. If your talking fish and small game then a simple long bow design is easy enought to make on the fly. The trick over what to shoot your arrow with (in a homemade situation) is what do you have for an arrow. God I could go on forever about bow for this or bow for that but unless you got a good straight stick with a decent pointy object then a bow is only good for trying to start a fire.

Back to the question

Recurve is my preferd bow now and probally forever. Just take it easy, learn to breath, mind your forarm, and work on proper shoulder strength.


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Posted 13 March 2012 - 11:03 PM

Eastearn NC area, swamps and marshes and very high humidity. There is a dedicated Archery store an hour away, and I always hear good things about Lancaster Archery and 3 Rivers. While learning to make wooden arrows is on the to-do list, I'll start with a solid number of carbons or aluminums. I am strongly considering a Samick Sage or Red Stag from Lancaster and getting the rest of my supplies (arrows, fletchings, jig, glove, etc) from the archery store. Probably start with a 40# draw.
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