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Posted 18 June 2012 - 07:47 PM

tinfoil...and make hobo dinners...(just throw everything in the tinfoil wrap up nice and tight and throw in the fire) we do chicken with potatoes and carrots or like a hamburger type of deal. Works great.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 07:50 PM

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so to survive the elements, you have to carry 300 pounds of cast iron cooking utensils ... that should make you light on your feet and ready to bug out within seconds .. :facepalm:



Nope, this is for homesteading. If you want to travel but have the comforts of home, you got another thing coming. But all I plan on having is a good assortments of knives and a hobo kitchen set to eat with. And I plan on ahving a destination, not just rambling around..that'll get you killed.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 07:51 PM

View PostIrishMack, on 18 June 2012 - 09:47 PM, said:

tinfoil...and make hobo dinners...(just throw everything in the tinfoil wrap up nice and tight and throw in the fire) we do chicken with potatoes and carrots or like a hamburger type of deal. Works great.



I'd rather have a brain in 30 years if you dont mind...so keep the aluminum out of my food thank you.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:14 AM

Tuesday.June 19.2012.
Day 185.




View PostLt.Col.Vortex, on 18 June 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

View PostIrishMack, on 18 June 2012 - 09:47 PM, said:

tinfoil...and make hobo dinners...(just throw everything in the tinfoil wrap up nice and tight and throw in the fire)

I'd rather have a brain in 30 years if you dont mind...so keep the aluminum out of my food thank you.


it was the scarecrow who needed a brain ... the tin man wanted a heart ... and he didn't have to wait 30 years, he just had to see the wizard of puz .. i think we have one of those .. just one catch, they had to vanquish a witch, i have no idea what the wiz of puz would require of you ... :P

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:48 AM

The wizard and I are not on speaking terms right now....something about me and his daughter at the christmas party last year set him off.

Wow, we're already into the 100's
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:07 PM

View Postklaatu, on 18 June 2012 - 10:45 PM, said:

so to survive the elements, you have to carry 300 pounds of cast iron cooking utensils ... that should make you light on your feet and ready to bug out within seconds .. :facepalm:


You don't wanna get too heavy, sure, but I learned a valuable lesson from a former SF guy.

"Travel light, freeze at night." For him this was learned literally.

What you pack is what you have. Period. Not a huge problem backpacking/camping. Worst case, you have a bad night or go back and sleep in the vehicle. I can survive sleeping under a tarp or poncho guy-lined to a tree and staked down at 3 corners. A couple of days if needed. In decent weather. Ditto with a bivy.

Now, a durable 2-3 person pop-tent will weigh more, and an extra wool blanket will take up extra space, and I'll be comfortable down as low as it gets around here, as long as I'm stuck outside. In rain, wind, freak snow, whatever. Comfort is a big part of morale, and that affects survival.

Or the cookware example. If it's a bad/survival situation, I'll pack one, very well-made, fairly heavy pan. I have some great Stainless Steel All-Clad stuff so I'll forego something cast iron and save a few pounds. It'll handle the elements, campfires, etc better than the foldable titanium stuff.

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And I plan on ahving a destination, not just rambling around..that'll get you killed.


Good plan, but also be ready if where you go isn't viable. That's why I am pushing the idea of carrying enough. Say you get where you are headed and it's already occupied, damaged, destroyed, contaminated, etc. If you packed the minimum to get there, you have nothing to work with if the plan falls apart.

It's like gong on a 30 minute SCUBA dive with 31 minutes of air. Something goes wrong and you're boned. The guy carrying an hour of the air is still breathing easy, even though the stuff is heavier.

Carry enough "FILTERED" to sustain for a prolonged period if needed. If that durable tent is heavier, but you can count on it in a hurricane, bug out with that. If the pack is too heavy, eliminate the "FILTERED" you don't need/use and get stronger. You'd be amazed what you can carry with a properly designed and fitted pack.

I'm looking at military packs right now. It's up between the the inexpensive MOLLE Rifleman's packs, the (Arc'teryx designed) USMC ILBE and a CFP-90 w/ Patrol Pack. I figure it'll give me more than enough capacity for anything I'll need, and I can strap it down if I don't need the full load. Or get that CFP-90 and have a that extra smaller pack for E&E if needed.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 05:11 PM

speaking of traveling light, did you ever get that crossbow, and if so, how do you like it ? tried any home made bolts with it yet ? i know you were also looking at a traditional longbow, but i thought you might have had your eye on a crossbow too.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:00 PM

I did have an eye on it, but a few bones in car maintenance ate up the initial crossbow $$$. And I got jack "FILTERED" for the B-day this year that would have made up for it. Time to start saving for that again.

I keep bouncing between a recurve and compound crossbow. Compound will give me notable improvement in velocity, without increasing draw weight. And it costs only marginally more. Recurve would be easier to make arrows for, restring, and theoretically fix, but I lack two of those skills ATM.

I'm thinking compound crossbow and traditional bow. But it's okay, I'll change my mind again in a week. :D
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:22 PM

I agree with all your points Pistol, and actually I had back backs picked out a while back...but I lost my information on it and now I gota look for them all over again :(

If you guys dont know who Ray Mears is, look him up, download his stuff and watch it. He is more of the camper type, but he is very good at what he dose. And as for tent setups, he has a very useful and unique tent.



Notice how small his whole tent rig it at 21 sec. He has two bundles that size, one is his tarp with rope, and the other is his hammock. Now he has all his stuff separate, but there is a company that combined all of that into one package. Hennessy Hammocks are some of the best all-in-one sleeping/shelter gear I've ever seen. These hammocks have a tarp on top to keep rain/snow off (plus they come integrated with a rain catcher), they have sleeping bags styles ( and you can get them for extreme cold weather ). And if you've ever been camping one of the things you do is clear out your camp site, but with these you dont have to. Hammocks get you off the ground which keeps you from loosing body heat to the ground. The only down side is you have to have two points of contact to hang from. But unless your stuck out in the vast plains somewhere, you always have two fixed objects. These guys have many many models, i recommend you check them out. No one else makes whole camp site gear fit in such a small package.



As for cookware, like you said Pistol one heavy pot ( pot, not a pan ) to boil water or make soups. I did a 5 day camp out one a friends 6 acre lot to run about 1,000 foot of fencing for him. he lives out in the middle of no where and in the woods, so we decided to camp out instead of driving home every day. All we took for cooking wise was one pan and one pot. Our canteens had a mess kit with them, so that was our drinking/eating device. If you ever have to bug out, a canteen mess kit is all you need really.

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Good plan, but also be ready if where you go isn't viable.


I'm hoping no one else ( or much other people ) try and make dirty south Texas their home. In the gorges and sand/salt flats, I'd welcome people living there, it would increase our chances of surviving. But yes, we plan on bugging out of our current home to move out there..worst case scenario. A vast of some wort for gun/ammo/water carry and a clip on backpack for 2 spare cloths, sleeping gear and extra supplies. max weight limit is around 60 pounds per person. We're still working on the details, but we're planning for an event in which we have to walk out o here on foot.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:29 PM

View PostPistolWhipped, on 19 June 2012 - 08:00 PM, said:

I did have an eye on it, but a few bones in car maintenance ate up the initial crossbow $$$. And I got jack "FILTERED" for the B-day this year that would have made up for it. Time to start saving for that again.

I keep bouncing between a recurve and compound crossbow. Compound will give me notable improvement in velocity, without increasing draw weight. And it costs only marginally more. Recurve would be easier to make arrows for, restring, and theoretically fix, but I lack two of those skills ATM.

I'm thinking compound crossbow and traditional bow. But it's okay, I'll change my mind again in a week. :D


Look into making a PVC bow.

This dude makes a fairly simple bow ( but not good for long term use as the bow has stress points in the wrong palaces).


And this guy flattens his PVC for a even weight distributing. Its a WAY better design, and its VERY simple. Both these designs shoot around 140-170 fps ( flattened arms shoot faster ) and they're around a 60 +or- draw weight.


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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:05 PM

Hah, man, I posted that first vid on another site a few months ago. Second one looks pretty cool though.

Damn, 80#. That's a warbow.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:44 PM

Yah, 80 is way over my head. 60 is more for me.

I was not really into making bows until early today when me dad showed my brother who showed me this kind of making. All in all, its about $30 in materials and about 2 hours of your time.

Just watch the 2 vids on how he makes the thing, and thats all you need to know on bow making basically. Me and my brother planon making one soon, and I'm doing mine out of 3/4".

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:59 PM

Wednesday.June 20.2012.
Day 184.


Summer Solstace.
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:35 PM

Yep, at latitude 40 degrees, the day is 15 hours and 1 minute long, summer begins at 7:09 PM EDT
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 06:27 PM

@Vortex, you already lost your brain...and, I generally dont worry much about the aluminum stuff...way I figure it...I' gonna die sooner or later.
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