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Posted 15 June 2012 - 04:45 PM

https://www.uspalm.c...ucts/armor.html

Check these people out. Specifically check out their armor.

This is their light armor.

http://www.youtube.c...d&v=zIRawHbC1vc

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 07:30 AM

US Palm makes some baller AK mags too, the AK30.

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 11:57 AM

Who are these people anyways?? My brother was going to get a bunch of shotgun parts for very cheap from a site, but came to find out they where a government owned site. And buying gear from them required your left leg and your location of your secret base before purchasing..so we didn't buy through them. Is US Palm the same way??
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Posted 17 June 2012 - 02:17 PM

Hey Im considering getting a pellet gun to use to take down small game quietly during the apocalypse
What are some good models that I should look at?

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 03:00 PM

@ Vortex

Dude, One Source Tactical is a US Palm vendor.

www.onesourcetactical.com

The guy who owns the site gives less than a "FILTERED" what you do with your stuff when you get it.

@ bhd

Gamo makes some nice break barrel pellet rifles. Plenty for rabbits or squirrels.

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 03:32 PM

What do you think about pellet pistols?
I think I may start with one so I can shoot in the basement
do they have enough power to take down small game?

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Posted 17 June 2012 - 08:35 PM

Sweetness, air rifle question :) First welcome to the air rifle/pistol community.

Both are good to have around and both have specific task.Pistols and rifles are good for small game, and some bigger game if you know where to shoot. My brother has a rifle and he takes down small game ( squirrel and rabbit ext ) from anywhere between 10 yards to 70 yards with no problems. I have a pistol and I regularly clean out my barn of rats with it, and thats from point blank to a max of 5 yards indoors ( but it can kill mice up to 10 yards ).

As I said before both guns have their place, so dont go thinking one can do the others job...they cant. I'm not talking about the elcheapo walmart guns anymore, treat these guns properly or someone will get hurt bad. You asked about pistols, short answer: yes, they work great for indoors and when using the right ammo, they have do little bouncing/causing external damage. You can get either spring powered or Co2 powered pistols. I prefer the Co2 because you get multiple shots rather than having single shot before reload. Both these types can offer very high speeds, so take down power is your option, you can go as low as 200 up to 800+ fps.

And onto air rifles :) Today's air rifles are ( in my book ) right up there with firearms. 100 yard shots are now capable with some of the top end guns, and in pellet gun terms, thats like 1,000 yards.

There are a few different types of air rifle, pump, break barrel, and PCP. Pump rifles are your basic, cheaper line of air guns. As they are called pumps, you pump them once or more to store up air to fire. Break barrel rifles are just that, you "break" the barrel which compresses a spring or a piston ( NP of nitro piston ). And a PCP stands for per-charged-pneumatics, which is basically what our paintball markers are, there is a pre charged tank that you attach to your rifle and you use an external air source to fire the pellets.

Pumps are plinkers and are generally used for target practice. I HIGHLY recommend that you do NOT kill with these rifles as they generally do not get the round moving fast enough to kill. My personal opinion is a minimum of 500 fps at a max range of 20 yards and closer. Anything less in speed or further in target range you risk not having a clean kill.

Break barrels are most common among hunting rifles. You can get either spring or NP. I personally recommend NP because you cant wear it out like a spring, your speeds are way more consistent, and you get upwards of 50% more power from a NP...and cold dose not affect it because its filled with nitrogen :)

PCP's are the top of the line in air guns. They can match ballistic specs of a .22 rifle and still be legal in gun banned states. A PCP uses an external air source ( typically an air tank ), and is most commonly bolt action/single shot fired.

I can drone on and on if you want me to, but just check out these guys and see what you like. http://www.pyramydair.com/ Go to top left of page and click on "air guns", then choose either 'rifle' or 'pistol' and enjoy the eye candy :) Ask any questions you like, I'll do my best to answer them.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:53 AM

Thanks for all the info!

I have a couple more questions
I want to try to get into shooting pistols when I get out on my own, so would using a blow back pellet pistol be a good idea?
Im looking at things like the gamo pt-85/25 and berreta px4 or should I look into non blowback models?

How long/ often is maintenance?
How loud are they generally?
is there anything else I should know?

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 05:26 PM

Monday.June 18.2012.
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personally, i prefer the pump guns. i don't want to depend on another power source. if i cant get to a compressor, or electricity.. the gun with an air tank would be useless. I have also been pricing crossbows, and man are they salty.. and they are not as easy to shoot or aim as a gun either, and if you go with a traditional bow, that takes a lot of practice.

to change the subject a little...

since i had the party out here a couple of weekends ago, and had people staying over.. i decided i would try my hand at cooking stuff over a campfire. i had the firepit, and a set of grill stands that i could place over it... hahahaha .. what a huge difference it is cooking over a fire as opposed to from a grill ... i tried making coffee.. man did that suck.. what i did find out, is that it is best to cook over coals and not open flames ... you have much more control. but you almost need to have a big enough fire that you can continue to move the coals over the cooking area, and keep the flame area just for warmth and making more coals to cook with .... man, i thought it would be easy peasy ... was i ever wrong

edit ..almost forgot .. i think you would need special pots and pans too to continuously cook outdoors..my pots and pans did not hold up so well, and that was only for a few days

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 05:55 PM

@Klaatu...cooking over an open flame is easy peasy...you just are a male.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 06:02 PM

Well you picked some of the top brands for starters :) Gamo and Beretta are good name brandsjust like Black Hawk or Trijicon, you spend money on the name as well as the product.

Blowbacks...I could go either way on, but they have made some serious improvements in pistols recently. 5 years ago pistols where toys, not having enough power to do much. But they have come a long way since then.

There is a guy that test guns for Pyrmidair, he is VERY thorough. Here is your Beretta and the Gamo





He featured the tactical version of the Gamo ( which also had the 10 inch barrel..which I recommend due to better accuracy and speeds ), but if its too big, I'm sure the 5 inch barrel version preforms the exact same minus a bit of speed due to a smaller barrel.

Maintenance is basically once a year, and thats if you shoot a fair amount. I regularly take mine apart, but there isn't much to do other than remove and apply more oil/lube. Basically treat is as you would your makers...they're generally one in the same.

Audibleness ( a new word I made up :) ) is covered in the videos and in the description. Medium 'loudness' is around 100 ish decibel ( average conversation is 50-70 ish ).

And look for parts, specifically the C02 oring. The oring that the cartridge squishes up agents when you tighten the ting, it wears out in about a years time. Also look for the piercing pin. This also wears about in a year or so. I bought 5 of each for my pistol when my first ones went bad and they will keep me going for a long time.

Crosman makes the best C02 cartridge that I've seen so far, so stick with them. If you shoot indoors, sue pellets. Pellets dis-form and dont bounce anywhere near as much as BB will. When I shoot in my barn I've tried BB and lead ( pellets)..and lets just say that my eyes got VERY lucky a few times using BB's.

Also along the line of pellets, Crosman also makes some of the best killing pellets that I've used for pistols. The Crosman Destroyers are great for mice and such. They are accurate and devastating at lower speeds ( 500 and below ). I get mine at walmart as well as my 12 grams.

I'm sure I'll think of more, but for now thats all i got.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 06:14 PM

View Postklaatu, on 18 June 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

i don't want to depend on another power source. I have also been pricing crossbows, and man are they salty.. and they are not as easy to shoot or aim as a gun either, and if you go with a traditional bow, that takes a lot of practice.

what i did find out, is that it is best to cook over coals and not open flames ... you have much more control. but you almost need to have a big enough fire that you can continue to move the coals over the cooking area, and keep the flame area just for warmth and making more coals to cook with .... man, i thought it would be easy peasy ... was i ever wrong

edit ..almost forgot .. i think you would need special pots and pans too to continuously cook outdoors..my pots and pans did not hold up so well, and that was only for a few days


Stick around this thread and I'll do more on air rifles :)

As for bows, you cant compare compound to long to crossbows, their all 3 different animals. I've got a crossbow, and man that thing will put a shaft strait through 2 bails of hay. And the crossbow isn't all that bad to shoot, its weights are a bit different than guns but thats about it.

And nice to see someone else cooking the right way :) I got rid of my stove 2 1/2 years ago and have been cooking over a fire ever since. It takes some getting sue to thats for sure. You have to cover everything or else it will taste like smoke, and while cooking over coals is good and all, what about all that energy that you wasted in the flame...gota consider every energy output and NOT waste it.

As for the 'special' pots and pans, its called cast iron. Heavy as hell but they work great and they make your food taste TONS better. Down side is they are very pricy. But what I do is I find them lying around or thrown out by people, even the most rusted pans come clean with a good fire and some cooking oil...NO metal brushes or grinders.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 06:56 PM

so do you make coffee over an open fire ? that is one thing i was not even coming close to making ... i could see where the open flame thing with food i could do after some practice, but making coffee that didn't taste like gritty mud seemed impossible.
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 07:01 PM

Yep, dad makes some every morning. Try this http://en.wikipedia....ffee_percolator
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Posted 18 June 2012 - 07:45 PM

so to survive the elements, you have to carry 300 pounds of cast iron cooking utensils ... that should make you light on your feet and ready to bug out within seconds .. :facepalm:
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