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Posted 12 August 2011 - 01:02 PM

Tyger just wanted more eyeballs on his video's, that is why he put "sniper" on the title, so he would hopefully get some clicks on the ads, to pay for all his work putting that stuff out there...

I think he wears facepaint to bed, in a ghilli suit in case he needs to snipe someone from his closet, which is full of threads that he weaves into his suit depending on the environment.

Come out of the closet Tyger, we know you love sneaking up on people and dropping a paintball on their visor. Sniper style... it is all just

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 01:10 PM

View PostChem Daddy, on 12 August 2011 - 12:50 PM, said:

I think the idea of paintball sniper gets a bad rep for several reasons. The main one being the people who talk smack at the staging area, but stay in the back during a game and accomplish nothing. I bet we've all seen this, and rubs some people the wrong way in regards to paintball sniping. (I'm not meaning that you do this reef geek, but that's alot of people's perception of it).
I'm skeptical about sniping in paintball because in the fields I've played on (yours may be different) sniping never decisively wins the game. Moving up and flanking do. Stealth has it's place, but in most rec game it's not as usefull as movement. In a scenario game, stealth becomes more useful to a team (General assassination, Intel gathering, and running missions) but this is only effective as part of a team rather than as a lone wolf.

You know, this argument is kinda silly, lets just have fun playing and try to work together on the field...


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Posted 12 August 2011 - 02:58 PM

I look at it this way, in Tyger's video he challenged the whole "SNIPER" community to prove to him that there is such thing as a "sniper". 0 video responses so far for pro "sniper". Were is the video responses? Hopefully sometime this weekend we will get some kind of "sniper" video from not just A.C.E.S, but from the whole "sniper" community.

I personally do not believe in the whole "sniper" thing, everything that has been said about stealth, flanking, waiting for the right moment to pull the trigger, Well isn't that's the basis for woodsball? Does that mean that I am a paintball "sniper" or does that mean I'm a woodsball player?


I am opened minded about everything in life. So I am also asking the "sniper" community, try to prove Tyger wrong.

Cant wait to see the video responses. Remember keep circulating those tapes!
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 03:18 PM

View PostCJPALMER, on 12 August 2011 - 04:58 PM, said:

I look at it this way, in Tyger's video he challenged the whole "SNIPER" community to prove to him that there is such thing as a "sniper". 0 video responses so far for pro "sniper". Were is the video responses?


Got to be honest, I'm not expecting to see any.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 03:19 PM

The only problem is I don't have a video camera. The only video recording device i have is the built in one on my computer. It would be funny to see a guy running around the woods with an apple computer in one hand and a marker in the other.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 03:22 PM

Oh by the way, in the video you said I was talking about you, but I was talking about thalion. I probably should have been more specific.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 03:23 PM

View Postreef geek, on 12 August 2011 - 04:19 PM, said:

The only problem is I don't have a video camera. The only video recording device i have is the built in one on my computer. It would be funny to see a guy running around the woods with an apple computer in one hand and a marker in the other.

Yeah I fully understand that, would be funny to see, but I'm sure that there is a "sniper" out there that has a video camera.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 03:25 PM

So...if nothing else have the guts to put your face on the internet in a video repsonse to Tiger...then he might at leat have some respect for you...
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 03:46 PM

This argument hasn't gone any where and has only made people mad. Lets see if people from out side of the forum can bring new evidence to the table. Unless something changes, for now we should agree to disagree. To Irish mac, sorry my parents want me to stay as anonymous as possible on the web.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 04:24 PM

It all comes back down to the same thing: people that brag and call themselves "snipers" irritate the hell out of people BECAUSE they are bragging. Let people judge you for THEMSELVES, and play honestly and fairly. If you act like its not so serious and just help people enjoy the game, they will come to respect you on their own.

I don't walk up to every person I see and say, "You must suck - you fire 30 bps. I use a stock class pump, so even if I lose everyone knows I'm way better than you."

I play, I get hit, I walk off, I shake their hand when they're done. I take a couple out, I say good game, where do you want to play next? If they want to try pump, no problem.

Like I said before, I can respect anyone's religion, political belief, or playstyle, even if I disagree with it or prefer another... but if its what they believe or its the way they enjoy playing, good for them. Just PLAY.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 04:27 PM

View PostWarpaint, on 12 August 2011 - 11:32 AM, said:

6.) it's disrespectful to real snipers or real military (although it seems otherwise OK for them to emulate real soldiers)


True story, and one I'll mention on Monday's update.

On one of my JT jerseys, I have a "sniper" tab sewn on the sleeve. At one event, a guy came up to me and threatened to remove it, and most of my arm with it, using a large knife because he found it "disrespectful". After a heated debate, I found out that he wasn't sniper trained, but he "knew a guy" who was. The stupid thing is the "recon" tab didn't offend him, just the sniper one.

I don't emulate a real soldier on the field, but paintball gives me a respect for those that do it for real.

View PostWarpaint, on 12 August 2011 - 12:33 PM, said:

Tyger is very committed to his beliefs, and he can be very vigorous when sharing these. While his intentions may be good, others are sometimes insulted by his delivery. Getting a rise out of people may be his intent, or it may be that he doesn't know his audience as well as he thinks. Was he really surprised that someone did not share his opinion and responded accordingly, or did he intend to shake things up?

View PostFreeEnterprise, on 12 August 2011 - 03:02 PM, said:

Tyger just wanted more eyeballs on his video's, that is why he put "sniper" on the title, so he would hopefully get some clicks on the ads, to pay for all his work putting that stuff out there...


No, but that's been kind of a nice side bennefit, I won't lie. The event bills itself as "Top Sniper Challenge", so putting in "free donuts" in the title wouldn't make sense.

I look at the show as challenging the audience. I don't want throngs of fanboys who parrot what I say, the industry has enough of those. I want to make people think, or at least rattle them enough to make them stop a moment and consider what they're doing. It's why I threw down the challenge. I want people defending their opinions, not just spouting off insults like I see here.

And people ARE agreeing with what I said, read the comments and look at the ONLY response. But, more on that below.

View PostCJPALMER, on 12 August 2011 - 04:58 PM, said:

I am opened minded about everything in life. So I am also asking the "sniper" community, try to prove Tyger wrong.

Cant wait to see the video responses. Remember keep circulating those tapes!


The one mistake I may have made here is the time frame. If I get no responses I won't declare it a "victory" because 2 days may not be enough for a lot of guys to get together a film shoot. If nothing comes in my Monday I'll mention it in the video, and offer an extended time on it. I'm hoping for at least a "desktop rant" from someone to explain their position, I wanna see who has the guts to put their opinion into the unforgiving arena of youtube and is willing to get bashed as much as they bash others.

I'm not expecting anything out of it, but I'd like to be surprised.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 04:55 PM

View Postcdrinkh20, on 12 August 2011 - 04:24 PM, said:

It all comes back down to the same thing: people that brag and call themselves "snipers" irritate the hell out of people BECAUSE they are bragging. Let people judge you for THEMSELVES, and play honestly and fairly. If you act like its not so serious and just help people enjoy the game, they will come to respect you on their own.

I don't walk up to every person I see and say, "You must suck - you fire 30 bps. I use a stock class pump, so even if I lose everyone knows I'm way better than you."

I play, I get hit, I walk off, I shake their hand when they're done. I take a couple out, I say good game, where do you want to play next? If they want to try pump, no problem.

Like I said before, I can respect anyone's religion, political belief, or playstyle, even if I disagree with it or prefer another... but if its what they believe or its the way they enjoy playing, good for them. Just PLAY.


I can understand this. I have meet my fair share of people who call them selves snipers yet suck at that role. This doesn't discredit all snipers. I try not to brag, but every once in a while I screw up and do it; I'm only human. Now that I've cooled down, I would like to say sorry if I offended any one. This doesn't mean I'm giving in, but I know I went to far.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 05:12 PM

This needed it's own post.

View Postreef geek, on 12 August 2011 - 01:57 PM, said:

I'm not saying I need respect specifically, I'm saying you guys need to respect paintball snipers in general. That doesn't mean you have to go praising them, just don't go around saying they don't and can't exist. This whole argument just keep going in circles. I've asked this so many times and still haven't gotten an answer; WHY DO YOU KEEP HATING ON PAINT BALL SNIPERS, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO YOU!!!


Ahh, the final resort argument. "WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING TO YOU!" Playing the persecution card, how lovely.

Ok, I'll play. And I feel like I'm going to repeat most of this stuff on video in the future.

Let's start with paintball as an "honor sport", one of the backbone lies of the game. And before I continue, yes you special little snowflake, I'm not talking about you because you're the most honorable player in the world, I'm talking about the dozens of other morons I've run into over the years. Paintball has this underlying lie that it's a sport of honor, and it simply isn't. It never really has been, and it certainly isn't now.

So related to "snipers". Scenario rules state specifically that if you're wearing a ghillie suit, the ball only has to hit you to count. Ok, thats fine in theory. But prove you bounced a ball off a guy. I've seen player damn near tank a "sniper" (and by that I mean they had to be physically restrained from beating the guy with the tank on their gun) because the guy wouldn't leave after they bounced a cumulative 400+ shots off his suit. His excuse? It started with "you never hit me" then became "I never felt them" then became "Sucks to be you, just because I know how to play in a ghillie suit..." and you can imagine what followed. Or not, but it wasn't pretty.

So already, rules had to be put in place that require the opponent to have integrity, but after years of playing I don't trust my opponents to keep their goggles on let alone play with integrity anymore. But the fact that you need 'special' rules to play already puts negative spin on things. Some fields won't even allow ghillies for that reason. So already, you guys need special rules in place to try to regulate fair play.

Second is the attitude I get from most so-called "snipers". I've had more than a few take the "Sensei Jim" approach and get in our faces and brag how they'd "own" us all day and we'd never see them. Yeah, we never saw them, we had the flag and were gone before they were properly set up in their "hide". See, it's like the tourney player wearing a t-shirt that says "That's MISTER (censored) to you!" and talking smack between games about how much fun it was to light you up. Put a sour taste in my mouth before the first shot is fired, and talk about how your gear is so awesome. Nice store-bought string suit, $150 from onlinesniperoutlet.com?

Oh, and yes you special little snowflake, I know you're different. I'm talking about everyone else, not you, here's a cookie.

Third, usage of the term. As I hinted in the response, I have never heard someone call themselves "paintball infantry". So why do you want to use the term paintball "sniper"? Branding. To put it another way, would 4,000 people show up to the middle of nowhere to play "Joe's Paintball Bash" instead of "D-Day Invasion"? Possibly, but D-Day has that punch, doesn't it? As a term of convenience, sure sniper works. "Sniper in the weeds" rolls off the tongue faster. I like the term "sneaker", which is what we used to call them back in the day. But no, the insistence of using "sniper" means you're tapping into an image that you want to portray. You don't call yourselves "Paintball Ninjas", do you? (actually, that'd be pretty cool...)

Point is that you could call yourselves "hunters" or "ninjas" or "sneakers" or "paintball players" but you choose not to. YOU CHOOSE to wrap yourself in the image of a "sniper". That's a choice, not a label I straddled you with. And, in terms of marketing, you chose that to be associated with all things "sniper" related. And I'll be proactive here, because I can already hear this. "So what would you call us?" How about "paintball players"? Too plain and not descriptive enough? Yep, that's my point. The fact you choose to call yourself a "paintball sniper" means to me that you're selling me an image of yourself that you want to portray. Then again, people who spend $500 to look like a member of "Dynasty" get the same disdain from me, so there you are.

Fourth, let's go back to the range thing. And this is specific to this comp the video was talking about. 4/5 events are not about concealment, stealth, camouflage nor patience. You have 2 minutes to hit a target at 250-350 feet away. So, in the eyes of this comp, it's all about long range shooting. 7 shots in 2 minutes may sound like nothing, and supposedly with first strike rounds I've got people telling me that "I saw a video of a guy shooting a dude at like 500 feet with one and it's totally trooo!!!" So to win, you need a magazine fed Tiberius gun, because muzzle loading 7 shots isn't going to happen in 2 minutes. (So talk about your sponsor shoutouts....)

In the eyes of this comp, apparently long range shooting is pretty much the point to show who the "best sniper" (sic) is. But what I'm seeing here, and on the youtube channel and on facebook, is that EVERYONE seems to have a different opinion on what a "paintball sniper" is. Heck, if you guys can't even agree amongst yourselves why should I agree with 'yall? One says it's about JUST concealed shooting. One says it's about patience and a play style I'll never understand because I'm a 15 year old hormonally imbalanced jock. One says it's about long range unseen shooting. One says it's about making the one shot count. One says "Well it's ALL those things!" Make up your minds, then come back to me.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 07:17 PM

OK, first I would like to clear something up. I made a comment that stated,"you not a sniper", addressed to Tyger. Sorry for that. I dont know how you play, I have never played with you,that was ignorance on my part. I like oyu Tyger, I like the fact that you have opinions and you voice them. I didn't mean anyhting by the comment...you caught me on a bad time...sorry for the comment.

Next point...this is a CHALLENGE. It is designed to test the limits of a specific group of people who specialize in a specific area. It is not gona be easy, and may not be possible..but that is to be determined.

And who really gives a crap what we call ourselves....uumm YOU guys do. We dont have an issue with it, so why would we care what you guys think? We dont have anything to prove to anyone.( Oh and we are PAINTBALL SNIPERS, not real world snipers. Puting the word "paintball" in front of the word "sniper" defines who we are......paintballers. We all shoot and get hit just like the rest of you guys, we just specialize in different aspects that the average player) I dont need your respect or trust or anything. If I wana play paintball in my way, then i will. Let it be known that I/we snipers did NOT start this conversation, you did. Now there have been SEVERAL threads and topics like this in the past by snipers or those claiming to be, so what. THere are countless stupid people in this would trying to "better" themselves by talking smack or being something they aren't. Now you might bring up the point now that we have to prove ourselves with a video....trust me, it sounds tempting( and I was thinking I might, but buying a 16 foot trailer and a welder kinda takes it out of you money wise). But honestly think about it. If you dont believe that we can do what we claim we can, then do these two things..go do it yourself, or watch it be done. And watching it be done can be through the internet or actually getting out on a test range to see. Its you guys that need the convincing, not us, and I at least dont feel the need to prove anything, especially to the internet.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 08:00 PM

Last time I checked every one has their own opinion on everything. So to say we should all have the same opinion then come to you is a little absurd. BTW my whole set up has cost me only $350, this includes the gillie suit. I know tones of other markers that are way more. Now when you say balls don't brake on gillie suits, so special rules must be made. This may be true for the overly thick gillie suits (I think they should be banned to for the same reason), but most players try to make theirs thinner since it's so dang hot to where them; these thiner gillie suits prevent brakes allot less. Now colder climates I can see this being a problem, but people usually don't where gillies in the snow. Now you also don't have to where a gillie to be a paintball sniper. I only where my gillie 1 out of 8 games. That doesn't mean I can't find good cover. I once laid down in a grove of baby aspen trees; a guy came within 10 feet of me and didn't see me. There's more to paintball sniping that the equipment. I can see why you don't like paint ball snipers because some of them brag. I to find people that brag, snipers or not, and have no skill are annoying. This is a general fact of life, people can be stupid and head strong. Just don't think that every one in that group is the same; for we are ninjas to :P.

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