[Tyger]

I Wasn't sure if this should be an opinion piece or tacticool. Seeing the nature of it, I chose this. So this is a comp that's being held around the country. http://www.toppaintballsniper.com/ Have fun.

-Tyger

[Warpaint]

The competitions in concept sound interesting...I always enjoy watching the sniper competitions on the Military Channel where things like orienteering, teamwork, and physical conditioning also come into play...but it sounds like whomever was coordinating these events and setting up the challenges was a wee bit detached from the realities of paintball. Still, if they could get the challenges right, and then pull the event together, it sounds like a good time. Seems like a half-baked idea to me...would be more credible if they had some well known sponsors. The organizers need to remember, distance is relative, and an element of stealth.

[Tenacious221]

At least they're charging less than the adventure island people charged

-Tenacious

[Thalion]

First strike paintballs don't really increase the maximum range of a paintball.

They just increase the "effective" range by taking out the 35-40* arc and making it shoot a flatter trajectory.


That said, with the details of the stages, combined with the high cost, they've proven they know nothing about paintball.

[IrishMack]

I agree that it's absurd the way they have it, but I feel like it would be a fun event if done right. Although, I think a normal paintball skill challenge would be much more fun...we have run obstacle courses at the summer camp we run, and it's always a really fun challenge that tests your fitness, speed, accuracy...

[Supergyro]

Adventure Island... that was hilarious!

[Lt.Col.Vortex]

First off Tyger..facebook can kiss me A$$ They Fu**ed up my computer and I spent like 3 day cleaning it.

I'll say a few things things about this,....oh and dont mind the laser dots on your chest now, their trained paintabll snipers, just dont move too sudenly

And the other thing,A.C.E.S.
http://snipertalk.proboards.com
And the range issue...uuuhh first strike. We snipers prefer first strike over regular balls. And we are SNIPERS, not some punk with a crap walmart pea shooter. We know what er are doing and what to hit.

And your ranting can be summed up with this...your not a sniper, you cant do this stufff...sorry.


And tacticool my ass.

I'll find what a paintabll sniper means.....will get back to you on this though..

This post has been edited by Lt.Col.Vortex: 11 August 2011 - 10:59 AM

[Lt.Col.Vortex]

This was copied from one of the post by one of our snipers on the ACES.

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So I have reviewed everyone’s points and am going to attempt to define “Paintball Sniper” for the masses. Please correct me if you feel I have missed something.

Paintball Sniper: Someone who utilizes stealth and accuracy to complete any and every task given to them. Paintball snipers are versatile players, and while they pride themselves in their accuracy, they will take on whatever role is needed of them (whether it is scout/recon, covering fire, etc etc etc). A paintball sniper is accurate by the quality of his/her shots, not by the quantity of his/her shots. Snipers of any kind must be extremely patient, and a paintball sniper is no exception. Whether you fire Tiberius’ First Strike round or standard .68 caliber rounds you can be a sniper, all it requires is the knowledge of the round’s behaviour.

Yes you could bend this into standing for any paintball player..but with teh right wording, I;m sure someone could convince you that you are a girl

This post has been edited by Lt.Col.Vortex: 11 August 2011 - 11:09 AM

[Thalion]

*cracks knuckles*

It's been a while since this talk came up, so I figure I'm going to throw in and have some fun with it.

Lt.Col.Vortex, on 11 August 2011 - 12:56 PM, said:

I'll say a few things things about this,....oh and dont mind the laser dots on your chest now, their trained paintabll snipers, just dont move too sudenly

Ignoring the "paintball sniper" here (we'll get to that part later), I'm going to focus on the laser part. We've already established why lasers are a poor choice in paintball at best, and are an outright safety hazard at worst. Even if you think this is somehow "funny," it violates common sense safety in paintball, which makes it poor taste (and in my opinion, isn't even remotely funny regardless).

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And the other thing,A.C.E.S.
http://snipertalk.proboards.com

Call yourself whatever you want. That doesn't make you a thing. I can run around telling people how I'm the world's smartest man if I really want to, but that doesn't mean I am (in fact, the fact I'd be trying to tell you I am is pretty good proof I am not).

In paintball, the so-called "snipers" tend to be little more than attention whores who want to run around telling everyone they are "snipers" and are somehow "elite," "special," or "trained" to be better than other players. To date, I have yet to meet one who can back their claims. Most aren't even close.

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And the range issue...uuuhh first strike. We snipers prefer first strike over regular balls. And we are SNIPERS, not some punk with a crap walmart pea shooter. We know what er are doing and what to hit.

Got news for you - with the exception of what marker you're holding, you and "some punk with a walmart pea shooter" look and sound awfully alike.

You're not snipers. You're kids with paintball markers trying to boost your own self worth because you feel inadequate just being another paintball player.

Back to my earlier post.... the First Strikes offer no extra range. None. All they do is retain a flatter trajectory out to the maximum range of a paintball. They're easier to shoot longer distances accurately, but if you're suggesting you can hit a paintball mask, let alone a playing card, at 400 feet with your first strikes, I'm just going to flat out call you a liar. It's not possible, and until someone shows me a clearly unaltered, untampered with video scientific demonstration proving otherwise I'll stand by this claim.

And as Tyger pointed out - a LOT of fields are FPO, so First Strikes aren't a viable option for the majority of paintball fields and players. My home field usually doesn't have them, but has some FPO First Strikes for the 2 largest games of the year. You may want them, but in most places you're not going to get them.

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And your ranting can be summed up with this...your not a sniper, you cant do this stufff...sorry.

Well... you aren't a sniper. You can't do this stuff. And the event producers have proven they don't know what they're talking about between their unrealistic times and their longer distances than paintballs can travel.

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And tacticool my ass.

"Sniper" in paintball is practically a synonym for "tacticool." It just happens to be there are other forms of "tacticool" in paintball. Want to sell a totally useless product in paintball? Tack on the name "sniper" on it and boom - instant success from the tacticool crowd.

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Paintball Sniper: Someone who utilizes stealth and accuracy to complete any and every task given to them. Paintball snipers are versatile players, and while they pride themselves in their accuracy, they will take on whatever role is needed of them (whether it is scout/recon, covering fire, etc etc etc). A paintball sniper is accurate by the quality of his/her shots, not by the quantity of his/her shots. Snipers of any kind must be extremely patient, and a paintball sniper is no exception. Whether you fire Tiberius’ First Strike round or standard .68 caliber rounds you can be a sniper, all it requires is the knowledge of the round’s behaviour.

You gave up the obvious truth of this paragraph already:

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Yes you could bend this into standing for any paintball player

I don't even have to bend it. A paintball player uses all those skills in order to win the game. It's really that simple, and you even admitted it.

Stealth and accuracy to complete tasks? Yup, almost anybody who plays in the woods uses both. Every paintballer needs accuracy to mark opponents.

Versatile and can take on any role? Yup, all paintball players except for ones who pigeonhole themselves can do this. In fact, in order to be skilled at paintball, you need to be able to improvise and adapt quickly to what's needed.

Accuracy of aim vs accuracy of volume? Admittedly, not every player relies solely on carefully aimed shots. However, every player needs accuracy in order to mark opponents, regardless of how much paint they use. And quite a few players who you would say "aren't snipers" do this.

Patience? To varying degrees, that applies universally in paintball.

Sorry, you've done nothing to help your case.

[Lt.Col.Vortex]

You are not a rifleman, demo expert, medic, general, scout, stock class player, tourney player, woods crawler, ect... call yourself whatever you want to, your not ...simple as that.







In saying that, you just destroyed piantball...nice one

This post has been edited by Lt.Col.Vortex: 11 August 2011 - 12:07 PM

[Lt.Col.Vortex]

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Ignoring the "paintball sniper" here (we'll get to that part later), I'm going to focus on the laser part. We've already established why lasers are a poor choice in paintball at best, and are an outright safety hazard at worst. Even if you think this is somehow "funny," it violates common sense safety in paintball, which makes it poor taste (and in my opinion, isn't even remotely funny regardless).

Get off your high horse and take a joke.

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You're kids with paintball markers trying to boost your own self worth because you feel inadequate just being another paintball player.

Me or you??

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None. All they do is retain a flatter trajectory out to the maximum range of a paintball. They're easier to shoot longer distances accurately, but if you're suggesting you can hit a paintball mask, let alone a playing card, at 400 feet with your first strikes, I'm just going to flat out call you a liar. It's not possible, and until someone shows me a clearly unaltered, untampered with video scientific demonstration proving otherwise I'll stand by this claim.

You cant dosent mean someone else cant. Just check your accusations before posting.

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Well... you aren't a sniper. You can't do this stuff. And the event producers have proven they don't know what they're talking about between their unrealistic times and their longer distances than paintballs can travel.

How the hell do you know what I can and cant do?? WTF And if you say" pantball snipers dont exist", well then in your world and in the world of 99% of others they dont, but in some htey do, so be objective, but keep your smart ass opinions to yourself...I think thats how I got banned the first time.....

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"Sniper" in paintball is practically a synonym for "tacticool." It just happens to be there are other forms of "tacticool" in paintball. Want to sell a totally useless product in paintball? Tack on the name "sniper" on it and boom - instant success from the tacticool crowd.

Touney ball, its a scam. Make it shiny and bright, charge $100 more for it..BAM tourney gear..

I am seriously kidding. I like and play all kinda of paintball.

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I don't even have to bend it. A paintball player uses all those skills in order to win the game. It's really that simple, and you even admitted it.

Stealth and accuracy to complete tasks? Yup, almost anybody who plays in the woods uses both. Every paintballer needs accuracy to mark opponents.

Versatile and can take on any role? Yup, all paintball players except for ones who pigeonhole themselves can do this. In fact, in order to be skilled at paintball, you need to be able to improvise and adapt quickly to what's needed.

Accuracy of aim vs accuracy of volume? Admittedly, not every player relies solely on carefully aimed shots. However, every player needs accuracy in order to mark opponents, regardless of how much paint they use. And quite a few players who you would say "aren't snipers" do this.

Patience? To varying degrees, that applies universally in paintball.

I could poke holes, but why. You have your own opinion, thats fine, I have mine, thats fine. Who says they have to agree?

This post has been edited by Lt.Col.Vortex: 11 August 2011 - 12:19 PM

[Thalion]

Lt.Col.Vortex, on 11 August 2011 - 02:04 PM, said:

You are not a rifleman, demo expert, medic, general, scout, stock class player, tourney player, woods crawler, ect... call yourself whatever you want to, your not ...simple as that.

Actually...

"Stock class player" is pretty well defined. It's someone who, for that day or game, is playing with a stock class setup. This is clearly defined as a marker with a tube (as opposed to a hopper or spring assisted magazine) for paintballs, uses 12 gram cartridges for air, and has a mechanical device by which to manually load the marker (most commonly a pump, but levers and bolt actions exist as well).

Likewise "tourney player" is somewhat well defined. Admittedly, it's less defined, but one could say that a "tourney player" is one who plays in paintball tournaments.

These are clearly defined things. Someone claiming to be one of these could quickly be established as to whether or not they are.

A paintball "sniper" isn't defined, at least I have yet to see any way with which someone can properly, succinctly describe one. Because they don't exist.

I don't call myself any of those other things, unless I'm in a scenario game where there are specifically defined rules for these made-up roles. I suppose if you want to argue that, well I'll concede if there's a set of special rules for a "sniper" role in a scenario game and you have been activated as one, then I suppose you get to call yourself a "sniper" for that scenario. But you and I both know that's not what you were doing.

(Actually, I have been to a scenario with "snipers". They handed them a wooden rifle, were given 5 "shots" and could eliminate any player within clear line of sight automatically by informing the nearest ref)

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Get off your high horse and take a joke.

In order to be a joke, it has to be funny.

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Me or you??

I'm not the one pretending to be something I'm not. I freely admit I'm just a guy who plays paintball and has fun doing so. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. I don't have to prove anything about myself to anyone.

If you want to insult someone, please learn how to do it.

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You cant dosent mean someone else cant. Just check your accusations before posting.

I already gave you the required task if you want to prove me wrong. I'm using simple physics for my argument. Prove me wrong if you're so sure you can do it. But your claim that you "can" is a lot harder to believe than my claim that you "can't".

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How the hell do you know what I can and cant do??

I don't know your exact limits. I do know, however, that you can't violate the laws of physics. Like I said last post and earlier in this one, by all means prove me wrong. I have a scientific method to my thinking, so I'm freely willing to admit when I'm wrong after evidence has been demonstrated.

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And if you say" pantball snipers dont exist", well then in your world and in the world of 99% of others they dont, but in some htey do, so be objective

I am being objective. Objective requires looking at facts. If any new facts come along to change what's objective, then so be it. So far, still no snipers.

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[Lt.Col.Vortex]

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I don't call myself any of those other things, unless I'm in a scenario game where there are specifically defined rules for these made-up roles. I suppose if you want to argue that, well I'll concede if there's a set of special rules for a "sniper" role in a scenario game and you have been activated as one, then I suppose you get to call yourself a "sniper" for that scenario. But you and I both know that's not what you were doing.

True, we're all just people with markers on a field. But whats your point?

And some of us actually have some self respect and dont go out trying to protest ourselves as something we aren't. The small few of us with like interest( who make up the AECS) are not "those" guys who think they have something to prove.

[IrishMack]

Vortex...seriously, must you go back to your old ways...stop trying to mix the humor with the serious and being a dumbbutt about it...

[The Stuntman]

Oh...its been too long since the "Great Internet PB Sniper Debate" raised its ugly little head around here. Always good for a chuckle or two...