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Posted 08 June 2010 - 06:50 PM

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Potentially the most ironically ignorant image I've ever seen*. Since when was Pacifism ever "directed against" anybody who "posed no threat to the others?"


*pictures of Hil-Dawg don't count


Christains are supposed to stone non belivers also.
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Posted 08 June 2010 - 06:59 PM

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 06:43 PM, said:

The Coexist sticker is made up of religious symbols not political ones.
I blame Capitalism and Religion for the ills of the world.

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View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 02:27 PM, said:

You can't coexist using mythology. Something like that needs reality.

What we could really use is somebody to tell us what reality is, then we would know. Maybe they should like write one big book that tells us exactly what is true, and then we could just blindly follow that.

Has that been tried before? Because I think it sounds like a GREAT idea.


Yes I think the Bible, Koran, and Tora have been written to do what you are asking.
They didn't work.


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Palistinians live in a police state and are used for cheep labor. They are basically slaves. Isreal kills palestinian kids on a regular basis. If I lived there I would bomb them too.


Right, perpetuating the cycle of violence is obviously the solution. Self defense is one thing, terrorism is another.
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Posted 08 June 2010 - 07:18 PM

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 08:43 PM, said:

The Coexist sticker is made up of religious symbols not political ones.
I blame Capitalism and Religion for the ills of the world.


Actually, it's made up of more than just religious symbols.

Pacifism isn't a religion, nor is homosexuality.

It's a selection of varying cultural icons used to make the word "coexist." There is no specific reasoning to it.

On the "blame capitalism and religion" bit, the Soviet Union had neither. It collapsed. Before it did, millions of people were murdered. Surely that would fall under the "ills of the world" bit, wouldn't you agree?

So clearly, there is more to the equation.

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Palistinians live in a police state and are used for cheep labor. They are basically slaves. Isreal kills palestinian kids on a regular basis. If I lived there I would bomb them too.


I think I know the answer, but I have to ask this.... have you been over there?

I have. Both inside Israel and inside the "occupied" Palestinian territory. I met both Jews and Arabs there. And i have friends there.

You could not be more wrong.

Firstly, the "police state" Palestinians live under is run by, wait for it, other Palestinians. Hamas in Gaza, the PA/Fatah in the West Bank. In Gaza, those who disagree with Hamas are routinely killed (perhaps that is where you got the notion Israelis take pleasure in killing Palestinian kids?). When Hamas first took control of Gaza, any captured members of Fatah were executed, not by Israelis, but by Hamas.

Like it or not, but Israel has not had a single soldier in Gaza since 2005, with the sole exception of the invasion in Dec 2008-Jan 2009 (responding to a string of attacks coming from inside Gaza. Still, ignoring that, that gave the Palestinians a good 3 years of control, and more time since Israel left again)

Some Palestinians who live in the West Bank work in Israel as labor, yes. They do so because they get paid more to do the job in Israel than they would in the West Bank. This is hardly slave labor, as they are not forced against their will into Israel to do work. If I lived in the West Bank, I'd cross the border and work for them too.

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Christains are supposed to stone non belivers also.


Source?

Because I've been a bad, bad Christian then.

Don't quote the old Judaic law, because if you do, I'll just direct you to Judaism :rolleyes:

Take a long hard look throughout the New Testament and be sure to point out any part that tells Christians to stone unbelievers.

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 09:03 PM

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 06:43 PM, said:

The Coexist sticker is made up of religious symbols not political ones.
I blame Capitalism and Religion for the ills of the world.

I blame trolls.
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 01:43 AM

View PostMurderDeathKill, on Jun 8 2010, 09:03 PM, said:

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 06:43 PM, said:

The Coexist sticker is made up of religious symbols not political ones.
I blame Capitalism and Religion for the ills of the world.

I blame trolls.

I'm not a troll. I just have a differance of opinion. I am a liberal atheist. I guess the only one here too. Thallon and I argue whenever we run across eachother in here.
I am stating my honest opinions unlike a troll.
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 01:58 AM

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 9 2010, 04:43 AM, said:

I'm not a troll. I just have a differance of opinion. I am a liberal atheist. I guess the only one here too. Thallon and I argue whenever we run across eachother in here.
I am stating my honest opinions unlike a troll.

i dont think anyone is calling you a troll ... on the contrary, i think MDK was interjecting a little humor .... and i also dont think thalion was arguing with you, or you with him ... both of you have valid points that i enjoy reading. you both state your case, then leave an opiniion ... i dont see that as an argument, unless i am missing something here, but i could see that if you feel very strongly one way or another, and someone doesnt agree with that strong feeling, it would be easy to take it personally .. me, i dont really have a dog in this fight, so i look at both sides as how they get presented and what makes the best sense in the end.... but after all, this is only about bumper stickers, eh ?
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 06:05 AM

It's fine klaatu, if you're missing something here, then I am too.

It's nothing personal, I just enjoy a good political discussion now and then. Only by interacting with those of a different view do I get to see the "why" behind their thoughts and see what points another side may have (or where we disagree prior to the conclusions). And if necessary, it allows me to refine my argument and thoughts.

In short, debate and discussion isn't necessarily about trying to prove the other guy wrong, but about making me better able to explain and defend what I think.
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 06:06 AM

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 06:50 PM, said:

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Since when was Pacifism ever "directed against" anybody who "posed no threat to the others?"

Christains are supposed to stone non belivers also.

Kind of.... irrelevant to the point I was making, don't you think?

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I blame Capitalism and Religion for the ills of the world.

As an exercise, before you go around blaming things for things, it's a good idea to think of all the good crap they've done too. For example, religion and capitalism legitimately are the entire basis of today's society, so if there's anything you like about the world, you can probably thank a church of something for it. Anyway if you can't think of something good that's come from Capitalism or Religion, you can probably assume that you're somewhat ignorant on the point.

Looking objectively, I think that Capitalism and Religion have had an overall-positive effect on the world. Heck, I love America and we're all about both of those things.
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 07:17 AM

View PostMurderDeathKill, on Jun 8 2010, 07:50 PM, said:

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 02:27 PM, said:

You can't coexist using mythology. Something like that needs reality.

What we could really use is somebody to tell us what reality is, then we would know. Maybe they should like write one big book that tells us exactly what is true, and then we could just blindly follow that.

Has that been tried before? Because I think it sounds like a GREAT idea.


This made my day right here. :happy:

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 09:43 PM, said:

Yes I think the Bible, Koran, and Tora have been written to do what you are asking.
They didn't work.

This response made my day even better.

Palistinians live in a police state and are used for cheep labor. They are basically slaves. Isreal kills palestinian kids on a regular basis. If I lived there I would bomb them too.


Are you sure you didn't mean to say "peep" labor? Because I have always had my suspicions on where those Marshmallow Peeps we get on Easter come from. Now I can finally blame someone: The Jews.

The Jews did it.

Let me guess...you read about how The Jews Did It in a book called "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", didn't you?

And those poor Palestinian and Christian children, slaughtered by the Jews in order for the Jews too have blood in their Matza. That's the real reason for the occupation, isn't it, so those Jews can worship the devil with a never ending supply of blood leavened Matza?

....

Or maybe you're just completely, blatantly, and irredeemably wrong about life and everything. Could that be it?

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 09:50 PM, said:

Christains are supposed to stone non belivers also.


Actually, if you read the fine points of the Mosaic Law, that is, the Law by which the early Hebrews were supposed to live their lives (more information on this law -- written thousands of years ago, in fact) can be found in the Old Testament of the Bible. The Mosaic Law served (someone more learned than me can by all means correct me if I am wrong) as the actual foundation of Judaic Law and helped officially found Judaism.

So what does this have to do with Christianity? I'm confused.

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 9 2010, 04:43 AM, said:

I'm not a troll. I just have a differance of opinion.


And an astonishingly bad lack of spelling and grammar skills. I mean, really son, can you at least put forth the effort to have a little window dressing?

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I am a liberal atheist.


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Really? Really?!

The discovery of the century this is! Why, it even surpasses the find of the Amazonian city of El-Dorado!

I guess I better come out of the closet too: May I have everyone's attention, please!

I would like to announce that I am a conservative, with a bit of a libertarian streak, who is strongly disturbed by the idea that all of my debating opponents (the ones who can spell, anyway) might not yet have figured this out.

Thank you. :dry:

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Posted 09 June 2010 - 01:44 PM

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 07:50 PM, said:

Christains are supposed to stone non belivers also.


Actually, Christ said to love the sinner and hate the sin...He associated with prostitutes and thieves on a regular basis. Thanks for showing us all what an expert you are on Christianity though.
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 04:56 PM

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 07:50 PM, said:

Christains are supposed to stone non belivers also.


in his...... ..... ...defense, I guess? If THAT'S the message you got out of Christianity, I'd probably blame it for a lot of problems too. I mean it's laughable that Tommy got there from "love thy neighbor as thyself" and "the good samaritan," but hey, people have been informed poorly before.
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 06:23 PM

Let he whom is without sin cast the first stone Tommy.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 12:26 AM

View PostAshrak, on Jun 9 2010, 07:17 AM, said:

View PostMurderDeathKill, on Jun 8 2010, 07:50 PM, said:

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 02:27 PM, said:

You can't coexist using mythology. Something like that needs reality.

What we could really use is somebody to tell us what reality is, then we would know. Maybe they should like write one big book that tells us exactly what is true, and then we could just blindly follow that.

Has that been tried before? Because I think it sounds like a GREAT idea.


This made my day right here. :D

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 09:43 PM, said:

Yes I think the Bible, Koran, and Tora have been written to do what you are asking.
They didn't work.

This response made my day even better.

Palistinians live in a police state and are used for cheep labor. They are basically slaves. Isreal kills palestinian kids on a regular basis. If I lived there I would bomb them too.


Are you sure you didn't mean to say "peep" labor? Because I have always had my suspicions on where those Marshmallow Peeps we get on Easter come from. Now I can finally blame someone: The Jews.

The Jews did it.

Let me guess...you read about how The Jews Did It in a book called "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", didn't you?

And those poor Palestinian and Christian children, slaughtered by the Jews in order for the Jews too have blood in their Matza. That's the real reason for the occupation, isn't it, so those Jews can worship the devil with a never ending supply of blood leavened Matza?

....

Or maybe you're just completely, blatantly, and irredeemably wrong about life and everything. Could that be it?

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 09:50 PM, said:

Christains are supposed to stone non belivers also.


Actually, if you read the fine points of the Mosaic Law, that is, the Law by which the early Hebrews were supposed to live their lives (more information on this law -- written thousands of years ago, in fact) can be found in the Old Testament of the Bible. The Mosaic Law served (someone more learned than me can by all means correct me if I am wrong) as the actual foundation of Judaic Law and helped officially found Judaism.

So what does this have to do with Christianity? I'm confused.

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 9 2010, 04:43 AM, said:

I'm not a troll. I just have a differance of opinion.


And an astonishingly bad lack of spelling and grammar skills. I mean, really son, can you at least put forth the effort to have a little window dressing?

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I am a liberal atheist.


:(

Really? Really?!

The discovery of the century this is! Why, it even surpasses the find of the Amazonian city of El-Dorado!

I guess I better come out of the closet too: May I have everyone's attention, please!

I would like to announce that I am a conservative, with a bit of a libertarian streak, who is strongly disturbed by the idea that all of my debating opponents (the ones who can spell, anyway) might not yet have figured this out.

Thank you. :D

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Once again, Tommy Towne, you leave me more convinced than ever that it is well and truly hopeless.


Sorry I didn't spell check my post for you sweetheart. You seem like a real dick.
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 12:47 AM

View PostTexas Trigger, on Jun 9 2010, 01:44 PM, said:

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 07:50 PM, said:

Christains are supposed to stone non belivers also.


Actually, Christ said to love the sinner and hate the sin...He associated with prostitutes and thieves on a regular basis. Thanks for showing us all what an expert you are on Christianity though.


I really don't see why you are saying that I implied I am an "expert" Me stating that the bible says to stone non belivers is a fact. It's in there. I guess I touched a sore spot with you all. It's impossible to have an argument with conservitives without them going out on tangents and detracting from the main issues. Why don't you all play nice and stick to the topic, stop being rude, and don't just pick one thing that I write to attack and try to belittle me. I know my politics very well. I can back up my secular liberal views without name calling and going off on tangents. I realize you are all trying to make eachother laugh and make fun of the liberal, and I am am a big boy and can take it but I wan't to argue topics not tangents. Try it. I get frustrated with political arguments on here because the point gets lost completly and all I get is a bunch of insults.
I'm down to battle whits like a man but I don't care for school yard games. I am the only liberal in these forums that voices their opinions so I am an easy target.
Oh and sorry if you don't like my spelling, I am very casual in forums and not in the least bit uptight. I do not find it nessary to edit or proof unless I am in school. I hunt, peck and then post. I appologize if that offends anyone.
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 12:53 AM

View PostAshrak, on Jun 9 2010, 07:17 AM, said:

View PostMurderDeathKill, on Jun 8 2010, 07:50 PM, said:

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 02:27 PM, said:

You can't coexist using mythology. Something like that needs reality.

What we could really use is somebody to tell us what reality is, then we would know. Maybe they should like write one big book that tells us exactly what is true, and then we could just blindly follow that.

Has that been tried before? Because I think it sounds like a GREAT idea.


This made my day right here. :(

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 09:43 PM, said:

Yes I think the Bible, Koran, and Tora have been written to do what you are asking.
They didn't work.

This response made my day even better.

Palistinians live in a police state and are used for cheep labor. They are basically slaves. Isreal kills palestinian kids on a regular basis. If I lived there I would bomb them too.


Are you sure you didn't mean to say "peep" labor? Because I have always had my suspicions on where those Marshmallow Peeps we get on Easter come from. Now I can finally blame someone: The Jews.

The Jews did it.

Let me guess...you read about how The Jews Did It in a book called "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", didn't you?

And those poor Palestinian and Christian children, slaughtered by the Jews in order for the Jews too have blood in their Matza. That's the real reason for the occupation, isn't it, so those Jews can worship the devil with a never ending supply of blood leavened Matza?

....

Or maybe you're just completely, blatantly, and irredeemably wrong about life and everything. Could that be it?

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 8 2010, 09:50 PM, said:

Christains are supposed to stone non belivers also.


Actually, if you read the fine points of the Mosaic Law, that is, the Law by which the early Hebrews were supposed to live their lives (more information on this law -- written thousands of years ago, in fact) can be found in the Old Testament of the Bible. The Mosaic Law served (someone more learned than me can by all means correct me if I am wrong) as the actual foundation of Judaic Law and helped officially found Judaism.

So what does this have to do with Christianity? I'm confused.

View PostTommy Towne, on Jun 9 2010, 04:43 AM, said:

I'm not a troll. I just have a differance of opinion.


And an astonishingly bad lack of spelling and grammar skills. I mean, really son, can you at least put forth the effort to have a little window dressing?

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I am a liberal atheist.


B)

Really? Really?!

The discovery of the century this is! Why, it even surpasses the find of the Amazonian city of El-Dorado!

I guess I better come out of the closet too: May I have everyone's attention, please!

I would like to announce that I am a conservative, with a bit of a libertarian streak, who is strongly disturbed by the idea that all of my debating opponents (the ones who can spell, anyway) might not yet have figured this out.

Thank you. :D

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Once again, Tommy Towne, you leave me more convinced than ever that it is well and truly hopeless.


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