MurderDeathKill, on Jun 15 2010, 06:33 PM, said:
Thalion, on Jun 14 2010, 08:05 PM, said:
MurderDeathKill, on Jun 14 2010, 04:47 PM, said:
I was gonna semantics-card you, but then I realized you said Islamic. They don't have to be Islamic. The ones we've fought so far happen to be.... but they don't have to be.
Let me know when you see Hindu Jihadists, Jewish Jihadists, Christian Jihadists, Buddhist Jihadists, or any other Jihadist besides Islamic.
Although, since you may note it, there are other potential threats coming from some nations, but they are neither jihadists nor terrorists as a whole.
I shouldn't skip this.
And one other Jihadist besides Islamic.
People of all walks of life and all religious beliefs are capable of believing something enough to fight for it. Some are simply better equipped than others.
One problem with that argument.
One of the principle precepts of Christianity, Judaism, Bhuddism, Hinduism, and the Environmentalist movement IS NOT MANDATORY CONVERSION, SUBJUGATION, OR DEATH OF THE INFIDELS BY MEANS OF HOLY WAR. Point out to me where
in the Bible, the Torah, the Ten Sephirot of Kabbalah, the Vedas, the Upanishads, the Puranas, the Sutras, the Vinaya, the Abhidharma, the Eight Pillars (Taoism), or any other major religion that preaches and I quote . . .
Excerpt K 2:190-191
Set 2, Count 3+4
[2.190] ...fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you...[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
Excerpt K 4:074-077
Set 15, Count 38-41
[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. [4.75] ...fight in the way of Allah... [4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Satan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Satan... [4.77] ...when fighting is prescribed for them...Our Lord! why hast Thou ordained fighting for us?...
Excerpt K 4:089-091
Set 17, Count 43-45
[4.89] ...take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allahââ‚¬â„¢s way; but if they turn back [to their homes], then seize them and kill them wherever you find them... [4.90] Allah has not given you a way against them [Allah supposedly does not allow Muslims to fight people friendly to Muslims]. [4.91]...seize them and kill them wherever you find them...
Excerpt K 8:012
Set 28, Count 62
...make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Oh HERE is one of my favorites. You see, you must kill the unbelievers and then pillage them. And 1/5 of that loot is for Allah.
Excerpt K 8:039-040
Set 30, Count 66-75
[8.39] Shakir: ...fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah... [8.40] Yusuf Ali: If they [unbelievers] refuse [to stop fighting], be sure that God is your Protector...[8.41] Shakir: ...whatever thing you gain, a fifth of it is for Allah and for the Apostle...the day on which the two parties met.
Back to an earlier point.
MurderDeathKill, on Jun 13 2010, 01:01 AM, said:
So we have five things.... Allah (faith), Salah (prayer), Zakah (charity), Hajj (devotion), Ramadhan (sacrifice).
We don't argue that those are not precepts of Islam. But, by verse we have provided in great length and number, so is Jihad. Slaying, enslaving, or forcing conversion on the Infidel IS a major precept of the religion, again which he have proved at length with script from the Qu'ran itself, and therefore it is not a religion of Peace as so many claim. A pillar of their religion of subjugation, and therefore, back to the original topic, coexistence is not possible with true fundamentalist Muslims.
Edit: I suddenly realize how Ash must feel sometimes.
This post has been edited by PistolWhipped: 15 June 2010 - 07:37 PM