wanting to get a pistol
Posted 30 October 2009 - 07:15 AM
Posted 30 October 2009 - 07:54 AM
The Warsensor/Zeus/Armotech pistols are all basically the same thing (the Rap4 is I think an Ariakon, just rebranded). The grip on these will be smaller because the paint & air are elsewhere, but the overall size of the marker is much larger. They have slightly different features that cause players to choose one over the other, but for the most part they operate the same way.
The TPX is a newer option from Tippmann & has a smaller grip because just the paint is housed in it. The initial release had problems w/ the co2 cartridge not piercing completely & mags loading paint incorrectly. They have issued an update that fixes the co2 problem but nothing w/ the mag yet - you may want to let Tippmann release a TPX version 2 before you consider it.
If I were making one of these my primary, it would probably be the TPX w/ remote hookup. That way I wouldn't have to worry about running out of air & I could carry a bunch of mags because they are cheaper than the tac8's.
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Posted 30 October 2009 - 03:50 PM
The Tac 8 is what I have and I like it. It is harder to work with for smaller paws but dollar for dollar an excellent investment.
The others I haven't used so I won't offer an uninformed opinion.
As a side note- If I had it to do over I think I'd get a tac 9. Both pistol and rifle with many different firing set ups. Of course, the price goes up too.
Posted 30 October 2009 - 08:25 PM
If you do feel you need something semi-automatic, PMI USPs are good non-expensive option. They're a stacked tube blowback in design. They have the same isses with velocity shootdown, inconsistency, and general inefficiency as other blowback models, but are relatively well built for the price. Zeus pistols are made a bit nicer, but are of the same design, and more expensive.
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Posted 31 October 2009 - 02:18 PM
its not the best.. its not the worse.. it does what it needs too.. co2 jams if you use the wrong kind.. Action Village and the field i go to seem to have the only ones that dont jam..
i would like to upgrade to a TPX, but i think thats gonna be a while before i do it.
Posted 31 October 2009 - 04:05 PM
Posted 01 November 2009 - 08:11 PM
For now, ignore the TPX. They had issues with the pretty much every internal component. Most of which are now fixed. However the mag design is terrible. Unless your paint has a very strong shell, the mags jam. The staggered ball alignment causes there to be more pressure between balls which causes the shell to dimple and deform, which leads to the mags jamming and not feeding paint.
Blow backs like the RAP4 aren't that good. They are inefficient and all around troublesome. I'd avoid them for anything but messing around with in your backyard.
The Tiberius Tac 8 just hands down works the best. Costs more, mags are expensive. But the mags actually feed every paint reliably. If you want a pistol that just works and works well every time, the Tiberius is the one to buy. Yes the grip is big. It's not enormous, but big. You can shave and stipple your grips (use some sand paper, and then use a soldering iron to melt divots into the composite). The stippling gives you a much better grip and makes it feel smaller since you get a better hold on it.
Posted 03 November 2009 - 09:19 AM
The TPX hand grip did not feel right to me felt big and odd to hold, and beside all the issues with it, it is not worth it.
Now as for the stack tube ones i have used a ptx and the grip seems right also it does what it needs to and it shoots, plus much easier to load from 10 rnd tubes. i have tried a Zues it is very heavy, front heavy that is, i also forgot to mention a PGP pistol, i own one and out of all the pistol it is the best, very accurate!
I would say if your on a budget get one of the stacked tube pistols, they work, and research around to which one is best for you and read reviews on them to see what is reliable.
If you are not on a budget and get past the grip size on the TAC 8 then go for it, but it is not for me.
(I based my comparioson on using a real handgun, i compare the size, and how it feels and of course how it shoots, also taking into consideration that it is using a .68 cal paintball)
Just my 2 cents
This post has been edited by paintman161: 06 November 2009 - 07:10 PM
Posted 03 November 2009 - 04:36 PM
WTB Tac-One Warp Right Body
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Posted 03 November 2009 - 07:53 PM
Posted 07 November 2009 - 10:16 AM
The Tac-8 needs at least 3 mags to be truly effective on the field. You can reload each mag once on the same 12-gram, but reloading the 12-grams on the field sucks. Especially considering that, when playing with a pistol, you've pretty much gotta be nuts-deep in the game at any given time, and as soon as someone hears that 'PFFFT!' of releasing a 12-gram, your asking for a bunkering. 3 mags for your average walk-on game or small scenario will generally give you what you need. If you want to play in a bigger scenario, though, you'll need a LOT more. I'd say at least 6, or get used to falling back to reload a bunch.
However, that setup gets expensive, and fast. At $40 a mag and $200 or so for the gun package (New, obviously), you can easily spend $500 on a good Tac-8 setup. Worth it, definitely, but still pricey.
If you're on a budget, then STBBs are...not bad, but not as accurate. However, their mags are 3 for $30 generally. Functionally, they're all the same, but I've found that ACPs crap out their pierce pins on an alarmingly regular basis. (Both mine are out of commission right now, they both need complete rebuilds. And a CO2 plug...). The Zeus G2+ doesn't have this problem, nor does the RAP4 version. Surprisingly, unlike most of cRAP4's gear, their pistol is actually pretty decent, and definitely the most upgradeable of all of them. Also the most expensive, though, and most of the upgrades are of dubious use. (Like the E-Grip-very, very nifty in concept, but the third time you find yourself reloading because you blew out a whole mag on ramping while giggling like a schoolgirl starts to wear on you.)
The TPX would be the ideal pistol...if it worked. Mags are cheap, CO2 is quick, in theory to change, it's light and cheap...but the CO2 can't be changed unless it's almost empty, the mags are a bit fragile and prone to jamming, the thing leaks like a sieve if you look at it the wrong way and it blows to clean.
Honestly, if you're wanting a pistol just for a sidearm-don't. It'll be a waste of money. If you want a pistol to play pistol primary, then go all-out and do it right, with a Tiberius, or don't do it at all. Spend the money and cry once instead of cheaping out and crying often.
Posted 07 November 2009 - 08:18 PM