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#1246 User is offline   Locknpump 

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 06:20 PM

should I go for the ccm 86 or 45 degree frame? and if the 86 where could I buy nicer rubber grips for it?
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Posted 13 February 2011 - 06:28 PM

No experience with 86 - I hear it's comfortable. I also hear K-Frames by Sergison Machine are great (not sure what they fit on... primarily Sheridans?).

I like my 45 grip just fine.

I'm getting the stock grips on my Super Stocker (PPS) because I heard they were comfortable (and a 45 is $170 extra ><)...

I think people put too much stock into most grips... I mean the ones that have only really felt kind of odd to me are 1) the AGD bicycle grip... and 2) the A-5's foregrip (too short) vs. my 98 custom.

And in both of those cases, I haven't had a lot of time to try and get used to them.

I think you should just get whatever you are comfortable with already, if possible - and it may be easier to find 45 grips of whatever type but I can't know for sure.

As not helpful as that was. :rolleyes:
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Posted 13 February 2011 - 07:07 PM

good post, I was wondering because I am going to get a new frame, I have a 45 slider but it doesnt go with the marker right, the 86 is my favorite for now my only issue is the availability of rubber grips, the stock ones look kinda hard and uncomfortable :P
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Posted 13 February 2011 - 07:43 PM

From a quick google, I think these should fit an 86:

http://www.midwayusa...ctnumber=333567

They are the same brand as the stock grips on the CCI Phantom (Hogue). No complaints with mine (they are 45s). I am even (kind of) working on wood grips for it.
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Posted 14 February 2011 - 10:16 AM

Honestly sit back and think about what you think and feel during the game.

Do you really think at all about the grips when you are trading paint? How about when you run?
Nope.

The only time you ever really think about the feel of the grip is when you have the brain down time and your thoughts drift a bit...like sitting in ambush, or waiting for that guy to snap out again from his off hand side. Times like in the staging area and your bedroom when you are toying with the things.

These are not like real firearms where you need the grip to help you control the recoil and keep you on target for the next round.
Most of the time n our sport your trigger hand is so lightly holdingthe trigger frame you never even feel the grips.

Why do you think the pro level players want the super skinny frame with grip tap wrap on the bottom of the grip and around the reg? Those are the traction points while using our guns.

The reasoning behind the thin hard plastic of the 86║ frame CCM offers is the flexability it gives the shooter. Those grips offer an ambidextrous firing platform and a universal feel for players with both large and small hands. You can slide your trigger hand up and down the frame giving you a large degree of comfort depending on the position you are in during use.
CCM knows what they are doing with those things and if you sit and consider what you really feel during the heat of the moment...the grips are non existant.
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Posted 14 February 2011 - 04:54 PM

Bingo :)
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Posted 14 February 2011 - 08:53 PM

Once again the wise man speaks true :) I had decided upon opening my new pump kit fromm ccm that a dust black 86 with the stock grip would work perfect along with it and match as well.

That pump kit is very nice and seems quite durable :)
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Posted 14 February 2011 - 09:51 PM

Woooo! Bucket changer came in the mail today for my phantom, gloss black, looks smexy Posted Image

Anyways, as for efficiency, I seemed to have gotten roughly 35 shots off within 5 minutes per each 12ie (albiet the last 5 sorta just blooped, i could probably spit farther than they went), without really waiting more than a few seconds between each shot. I may just have to order some more to have a few different styles of possible play.
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Posted 14 February 2011 - 10:42 PM

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 12:11 AM

Question: when counting shots with a 12ie, are you supposed to wait 10 seconds between SHOTS (like everyone says) or between PUMPS? It seems like it could potentially trap liquid co2 in the valve if you pumped it when the liquid started expanding... but you'd probably have to have fired a few quick shots already. Wonder if the CO2 would have enough room to expand one loaded in like that..
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 06:48 PM

between pumps, let the 12ie get back to the same temp as before sense it cools alot with each shot
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 09:48 PM

Smooth/Easy pump stroke= Better pump kit or better internals (valve?)
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 10:09 PM

View Postmike7822, on 15 February 2011 - 08:48 PM, said:

Smooth/Easy pump stroke= Better pump kit or better internals (valve?)

Better pump kit. Tuning with proper springs and valve work.

If you are shooting for smooth, you should look at both.
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 03:43 AM

Agreed with Krazy. Pump kit will have the biggest influence, but if you want a light pump stroke you need to lighten your hammer spring, as that is the main force pushing against hte pump when you cycle it. But...if you lighten the hammer spring you likely have to lighten the valve spring too so you can maintain the same velocity. As if you just lighten the hammer spring alone it won't hit the valve as hard and will drop your velocity into the crapper
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Posted 16 February 2011 - 08:53 AM

Hmm... didn't think changing pump stroke was that easy.

I should try that with the Phantom :P
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