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#16 User is offline   Deus Ex Machina 

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 12:58 AM

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 10:02 AM

View Postpvt Johnson, on May 17 2009, 09:08 PM, said:

I didn't know you could set a cap, that helps alot. Thanks :)

Yup.

Now that the SLG has been suggested I think that is a good choice was well, but I still stand by the Mini.
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Posted 18 May 2009 - 07:04 PM

The Proto SLG is starting to look like the marker to go with. The non-UL is at $200 so it's well within my price range. Can I get a little more info on the SLG, like common problems or necessary upgrades? Also I was thinking of switching to a 62ci 3000psi tank rater than using a 4500psi tank seeing that I most likely won't be shooting more than 600 shots per game. Can I get some feedback on this as well? Please forgive my uber newbness. I'm new and your advice has been extremely helpful.
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Posted 18 May 2009 - 07:34 PM

View Postpvt Johnson, on May 18 2009, 06:04 PM, said:

The Proto SLG is starting to look like the marker to go with. The non-UL is at $200 so it's well within my price range. Can I get a little more info on the SLG, like common problems or necessary upgrades? Also I was thinking of switching to a 62ci 3000psi tank rater than using a 4500psi tank seeing that I most likely won't be shooting more than 600 shots per game. Can I get some feedback on this as well? Please forgive my uber newbness. I'm new and your advice has been extremely helpful.


The SLG doesn't really have "common problems", at least no more than any basic electro does. It just does what you tell it to do.

The only "necessary" upgrade I can think of is a clamping/locking feedneck, and even that isn't absolutely necessary. An On/Off ASA is a nice addition, and so is a new UL Trigger, but again, not necessary.
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Posted 18 May 2009 - 08:06 PM

The SLG UL obviously if you buy cheaper paint you can get ball breaks if your hopper can't keep up with your rate of fire. Paint can get in the bolt and it'll be a small problem, as in; take 1 minute and pull the bolt out and clean/relube.

Not a huge problem at all, I ended up cleaning my bolt in the middle of a fire fight at Canobie's big game last month. Took literally a minute and it shot beautifully after I cleaned it. Plus I was using a bad hopper but anyways. No real problems about it. If you want to save a bit more, go for the Proto Rail 09. Great marker.
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 06:28 PM

Is the 62/3000 your looking at carbon fiber? If not, I think you will still want a 4500 because those are carbon fiber instead of heavy steel. Either way, I would still go with a carbon fiber 4500 if I could fit it into the budget. It is lighter, and if you ever need to fire more paint or you just misjudge how much air you would need for the next game, you'll be able to carry more air with the 4500.
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Posted 20 May 2009 - 02:29 PM

One last question, I've been looking over air tanks and I keep reading about a "fixed output pressure". Specifically, I was shopping crossfire tanks (as I was told they are the best) and I saw that red tanks have a fixed output pressure of 800psi and the blue tanks have a set pressure of 450 psi. What is this and how does this affect my marker and the flight of my ball, and which would be best?

Thanks again for all your help guys! Your advice has been extremely helpful and informative.

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Post icon  Posted 20 May 2009 - 08:34 PM

If you want to play woodsball, not speedball, then the 98, or 98 custom is the gun for you. Its a bit slower than the ion and mini, but can be upgraded if you want spead. The 98 is as durable as it gets for twhen your running through the woods and falling on it. Yo could drive a truck over it and it would work fine. It's also very accurate, and weather you want a flatline barrel or not (some people like it, others hate it) it will still be a valuable woodsballing companion for you. Good luck!
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 08:21 AM

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View Postpvt Johnson, on May 20 2009, 03:29 PM, said:

One last question, I've been looking over air tanks and I keep reading about a "fixed output pressure". Specifically, I was shopping crossfire tanks (as I was told they are the best) and I saw that red tanks have a fixed output pressure of 800psi and the blue tanks have a set pressure of 450 psi. What is this and how does this affect my marker and the flight of my ball, and which would be best?

Thanks again for all your help guys! Your advice has been extremely helpful and informative.

The ~800psi tanks are considered high-pressure output, and the others are low-pressure output. What tank you want depends on the marker you're using, as some operate at much lower pressures than others. If you've decided on a marker, someone here can tell you what you need (not that it should be difficult to look it up). The A-5, for example, would require a high-pressure tank. But most of the time buying a high-pressure tank will be a safe way to go, as many low-pressure markers will have their own regulator that can drop the pressure from 800psi down to the marker's operating pressure.

And yes, Crossfire tanks are good. Though I've heard some say that MacDev is even better if you can manage to get your hands on one...

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 10:07 AM

Some people may call me crazy, but I would go with the 98C beacuse its fairly accurate stock, its small, lightweight, it fits your style of play. The Mini is a good choice, but minis tend to have more problems then you would like to deal with. The A-5 is nice but its basicly a 98C with a cyclone feed on it and its bigger. The ION is ok, but they are not very good stock, my friend had one and in between games he was always working on something.

If those are your choices, I would say the 98C because its small, somewhat lightweight, accurate, and durable. Heres the only thing, go on Craigslist or Ebay, and see if you can find one of the older models, those were much more durable. I think that others will agree when I say that the Tippmann 98 is one of the most durable markers in the industry. Although, their durability has started to fade lately, they are still great guns.


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Posted 21 May 2009 - 08:59 PM

View PostMinnesota Sn1p3r, on May 21 2009, 10:07 AM, said:

Some people may call me crazy, but I would go with the 98C beacuse its fairly accurate stock, its small, lightweight, it fits your style of play. The Mini is a good choice, but minis tend to have more problems then you would like to deal with. The A-5 is nice but its basicly a 98C with a cyclone feed on it and its bigger. The ION is ok, but they are not very good stock, my friend had one and in between games he was always working on something.

If those are your choices, I would say the 98C because its small, somewhat lightweight, accurate, and durable. Heres the only thing, go on Craigslist or Ebay, and see if you can find one of the older models, those were much more durable. I think that others will agree when I say that the Tippmann 98 is one of the most durable markers in the industry. Although, their durability has started to fade lately, they are still great guns.


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Compare a 98 to ANY of the other markers. It is not small, ligthweight, and accurate in comparison. Durable is relative. I can bign up pics of people with any of the other markers diving hard into mud and whatnot. Sure you cant run some of them over with a monster truck, but that isnt needed. At all.
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:27 AM

View PostSilent-7, on May 17 2009, 08:17 PM, said:

I third the Automag notion. My playing style is very similar to what you described, and I'd be buying an Automag for sure if I could justify spending any money on paintball right now. As far as speed goes, I'm not educated enough to know how difficult the trigger is to get used to, but I've heard many many times that Automags can rip under the right circumstances. And of course, they're virtually bullet-proof.



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Similar playing style here and have owned a Tac One (which is just a fancy body on an RT Pro so I can sort of blend with the mil-simmish woodsball guys I play with) since '06.

I have a ULT in mine and I can outrun my Apache loader if it doesn't have fresh batteries in it (I'd say maybe 15 BPS at that point). But I don't when I'm actually playing in a game; lighting people up is not the best way to grow the player base. It does take a little practice to get used to how the trigger on a particular 'mag feels, but when you get the muscle memory down of just how much pressure you need to put on the trigger and how close you can keep the trigger to the firing point on return, you can get a good rate of fire.

Plus, once you learn the Automag's language (leaks and trigger feel) you can tech it in a matter of minutes and be back in the next game IF on the rare occasion it malfunctions.

I occasionally consider trying out an electro when I haven't played in a while, but during/after games I decide against it.

You can pick up used 'mags with lots of goodies for about your price range - sometimes with a carbon fiber tank in a package deal - on Automags.Org. If you're considering going in that direction, feel free to PM me if you want help.

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Posted 22 May 2009 - 07:54 AM

View PostMinnesota Sn1p3r, on May 21 2009, 12:07 PM, said:

If those are your choices, I would say the 98C because its small, somewhat lightweight, accurate, and durable.


Compared to what?

Certainly no paintball marker I've seen (aside from some stacked tube blowback clones, but those are smaller than a tippmann).

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I think that others will agree when I say that the Tippmann 98 is one of the most durable markers in the industry. Although, their durability has started to fade lately, they are still great guns.


I will disagree actually.

You're thinking of the pro carbine and (earlier yet) Tippmanns, not the 98s at all.

I've seen 98s that weren't from the latest batch explode - maybe not literally, but the receiver did crack/break apart during regular use/play, without any abuse of any kind.

That, to me, is not durable at all -- something that irreparably breaks itself just by normal operation.
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Posted 22 May 2009 - 11:38 AM

One thing to keep in mind about tippmann markers is not how many fail but what % fail, there are alot of tippmann guns out there, and because of that more would fail but the % of total tippmann guns might be around the same as any other brand.
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