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#31 User is offline   SpudCrushr 

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 10:41 PM

View PostSamSquanch, on Mar 6 2009, 12:31 AM, said:

I do not understand americans passion for carrying concealed weapons everywhere. Maybe another canuck can back me up on this but we only take our guns hunting.


Hey, I only take my guns hunting...hunting for people! :P Why carry a gun everywhere? Simple. You never know when the terrorists might attack.
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 11:06 PM

Or, when somebody feels like jacking you. You don't need to fire it. Having it out as a deterrent is good enough most of the time.
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 11:21 PM

Indeed, crime stats show that the mere presence of a firearm, without a shot ever being fired, is a major factor in stopping or preventing a crime from occurring.

As for this story- I guess professors only support the Amendments they believe in, which ironically includes the First when they want to "instruct" their students, but apparently does not apply to anything they disagree with. This "teacher" was a major wanker.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 06:01 AM

View PostSamSquanch, on Mar 5 2009, 10:31 PM, said:

I do not understand americans passion for carrying concealed weapons everywhere. Maybe another canuck can back me up on this but we only take our guns hunting.

That's easy, it's for defense/protection. In cities and urban areas for protection from muggers, etc; and in certain rural areas for protection from animals. Nothing like going outside and seeing the glowing eyes of a mountain lion.

I'm surprised a Canadian asked that. Unless you're from a city. Because I know a few people that are fishing guides in Canada and they carry for protection from bears.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 06:57 AM

View PostSamSquanch, on Mar 5 2009, 10:31 PM, said:

I do not understand americans passion for carrying concealed weapons everywhere. Maybe another canuck can back me up on this but we only take our guns hunting.


Defense and protection.

It's an insurance policy. You see, there is a section of America that still believes a lot of what our Founding Fathers believed, and that was personal responsibility - the thought that at the end of the day, you, the individual, are responsible for your own destiny. The government cannot provide for you, you have to. One of the many conclusions reached by this is that you are responsible for your own protection and self-preservation, the police/government cannot help you.

That said, a handgun is the most expedient and convenient means to provide oneself with personal protection in most settings out and about.

I wouldn't say the passion is for carrying concealed -- I'd openly carry if I didn't think I'd meet every police officer that doesn't know the law as well as scare all the liberals in the area for doing so. It's just a passion to be allowed the full ability to protect oneself since it's a fact - the police cannot follow you everywhere at all times.

There's a whole other facet to firearm ownership in America that results directly from the Founding Fathers, but that goes under a different discussion of Americans and their guns because it doesn't relate to us carrying concealed.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 07:07 AM

Would have been better if it was a show and tell report...
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 07:52 AM

View PostSamSquanch, on Mar 5 2009, 11:31 PM, said:

I do not understand americans passion for carrying concealed weapons everywhere. Maybe another canuck can back me up on this but we only take our guns hunting.


Like others have said, defense.

Think of it this way, say you were a criminal robbing a guy for his wallet and watch, or jacking his car and then you find yourself on the other end of a handgun you didn't know was there until it was on you. I'll bet you act like 93.3% of the rest of criminals, and stop TINKLEing off the guy with the gun. If you are among the drugged out or psychotic remaining 6.7% and continue to proceed with violent force, I'd like to be able to stop you from continuing to put me in danger as quickly and efficiently as possible.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 10:36 AM

View PostSamSquanch, on Mar 5 2009, 08:31 PM, said:

I do not understand americans passion for carrying concealed weapons everywhere. Maybe another canuck can back me up on this but we only take our guns hunting.




Not to keep picking on the "canuck" here, but I believe I can sum it up in one common phrase:

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

I'll give a perfect example (since the discussion was originally about ccw while on campus): Virginia Tech. Those kids who killed 32 students and faculty could have done so just as easily with a CCW, yes, but the fact that every other student and faculty there, who may or may not have had a ccw, obeyed the laws and did not carry, they were left defenseless.

If people have murderous intent, they are going to kill -- with or without a gun, and if with a gun, with or without the legal capacity to carry or own a gun. Basically my point is, if somebody wants to get a gun and kill with it, the law will not always stop that individual, but if other individuals are allowed to, they can stop it as, if not more, effectively as a cop.


As far as the conduct of the teacher, I believe she responded in a way that may have seemed inappropriate, but not necessarily extreme. She didn't fail him because of his paper (at least it didn't say that), and nowhere did it say that she called 911 and had the student arrested on campus, she contacted the police and probably asked them to check that the student was obeying the campus gun policies. ATF didn't bust down the door to his, he wasn't cuffed when he came into the station -- he was just asked some questions and then he went home. Pretty harmless.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 12:19 PM

My question, WHY does the Sheriff's Office have a LIST of what weapons he owns? Why do they need a list like that? If he passes a NICS check, that should be the end of the line for that info. Even if he had a CC permit, it entitles him to carry any pistol, and as far as I know, the CC holder is on a list, but not each individual weapon he has.
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 12:27 PM

In some counties/states when you purchase a firearm you register ownership with the sheriff/police, respectively. I don't think that is anything too ridiculous -- having to "declare" that you own a gun is not an infringement on your right to own it. Class III weapons you are required to register with the feds I believe. Registering a firearm is not unlike taxes -- when you make money, you legally have to declare it (and pay taxes on it).
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Posted 06 March 2009 - 01:01 PM

I am aware some jurisdictions you have to let the cops know when you receive a weapon. The local "Pistol Purchase Permit" system is like that. Just kinda strikes me as odd they would call him to the station and ask him specifically where each of his weapons is. Kinda worries me they can pull the file of a law abiding citizen and have a list of what weapons he owns. Why would his private property need to be tracked like that?

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 01:05 PM

Actually, legally the students at Vtech could have CCW, but school policy did not allow it. Had school policy not conflict with the law, lives could've been saved that day.

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 01:22 PM

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Actually, legally the students at Vtech could have CCW, but school policy did not allow it. Had school policy not conflict with the law, lives could've been saved that day.

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 01:40 PM

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Actually, legally the students at Vtech could have CCW, but school policy did not allow it. Had school policy not conflict with the law, lives could've been saved that day.

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 01:41 PM

View PostThalion, on Mar 6 2009, 03:40 PM, said:

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View PostVeritech Squad, on Mar 6 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

Actually, legally the students at Vtech could have CCW, but school policy did not allow it. Had school policy not conflict with the law, lives could've been saved that day.

"Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it."

AVP FTW!

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