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Posted 03 February 2009 - 07:45 PM

Id like to note that Frog Tape works tons better than the blue 3M stuff. If you havent tried it please do before you start offering these packages. Price is very comparable to the blue tape. The Frog Tape also comes in a nifty little plastic cover to keep it from getting marred up.
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Posted 03 February 2009 - 07:59 PM

Frog tape is designed for use with LATEX paints.
Duracoat is an epoxy, isn't it ?
That could be bad mojo, right there.
Have you tried it with chemical paints yet, Warwitch ?
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Posted 03 February 2009 - 11:02 PM

View PostSuicide Jockey, on Feb 3 2009, 12:21 PM, said:

I do like the idea of different stencils. If the paint kits sell well, you could add some special vinyl stencils to the mix, like the Ace of Spades Skull or Celtic weave patterns. I don't know how feasible a beginners' kit and an advanced kit would be, but simpler camo patterns like Tigerstripe could be targeted towards the more apprehensive buyers.

Another thought might be to sell kits for specific markers or types of gear. For instance, a tricked-out X7 with air-thru stock and large foregrip is going to take considerably more paint than an out-of-the-box Ion, and I might have to buy two kits to properly finish my JCS Launcher. Will five 3oz bottles and one 3oz bottle of matte clear be sufficient to paint most guns? Or might you sell marker-specific kits like the Omnipat A5 and the SO Digi X7, or even the Big Bone JCS Special?

I hope sales do well. I think I'd like to use my old 98 Custom as a sort of trial-run learning experience before moving on to bigger and better projects.


3oz should be plenty to paint even a JCS launcher. Matter of fact, I just painted a JCS launcher the other day and only mixed 2oz and it did fine but was really cutting it close. That is actually why I decided to go with 3oz per and not 2oz. I want to provide enough stencils and paint for anyone to do something as large as a JCS (because really, what is bigger then a JCS launcher.. don't answer that BTW, I know someone is dying to make a smart remark to that).





View Postbob endo, on Feb 3 2009, 07:27 PM, said:

I find the next bit confusing:

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Step Four: Laying the Stencils

2) Carefully use your razor knife to pick the digital stencils off the vinyl sheet.
3) Lay the stencils on the marker, keeping them flat to the surface and square to the gun.
5) Start with the larger sizes of stencil and work your way down to small squares, keeping in mind how much of this color you want in your camouflage. Don't get carried away.
6) Once your finished laying the stencils, make sure all the vinyl is adhering to the marker. If so, you are ready for your next coat.

Step Five: Repeat
3) After you have painted your last color and have given it enough time to dry, you can now begin to remove the stencils.


My reasoning is:
A) Step Four: 2&3 -> I'm not sure if the stencils are used as males or females.
:wacko: Step Four: 2&3 -> Newbs will need that distinction & explanation to be made for them too.
C) Step Four: 5&6 -> I'm not sure if the stencils are layered on top of each other at first,
as it 'starts with the big ones' & leaves it to question.
D) Step Five: 3 -> Sounds like you're removing everything at once, which you may or may not be.

We have an unwritten policy at the field:
ASSUME THEY'RE RETARDED.
This applies in the order which things appear as well.
We must assume that the person reading the instructions will more than likely complete each one
without even reading the next line.
For quick example ... mention having a photo reference as Step Three: 1, rather than Step Four: 4.
Otherwise ... there will be strange camo on everything.

That's all I can think of.
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Ya, thats what I was looking for. I'll start making revisions, thank you.


View Postbob endo, on Feb 3 2009, 07:59 PM, said:

Frog tape is designed for use with LATEX paints.
Duracoat is an epoxy, isn't it ?
That could be bad mojo, right there.
Have you tried it with chemical paints yet, Warwitch ?



True that. This technology has been around for quite some time, this is definitely an improvement though. I tried something similar some time ago and did not preform as I hoped. I'll look into it some more because it's a cool product but if it is anything like I've used, I'm not sure it will work.


You guys have given me a ton to think about but keep em coming.

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 11:54 AM

It sounds like an awesome idea. Speaking for the scenario guys I know, a flecktar pattern would be great. there are many scenario player's who would love this pattern. otherwise, directions and stuff look great.
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Posted 04 February 2009 - 05:33 PM

I think it sounds great, but being 15, I don't know if I would be fully capable, or have the time.

Will you still be offering your own paint jobs though?

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 06:11 PM

View Postwico90, on Feb 4 2009, 11:54 AM, said:

It sounds like an awesome idea. Speaking for the scenario guys I know, a flecktar pattern would be great. there are many scenario player's who would love this pattern. otherwise, directions and stuff look great.



Flectarn... really? I've only painted one flectarn gun in the past and I think I've only had requests for a quotes maybe 3-4 times. I don't think I would sell the paint but I could definitely sell the vinyl stencils in Flectarn. I had to make the pattern when I painted the flectarn A5 I did a while ago-

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If you do think there would be an interest in the vinyl stencils let me know, thanks.




View PostW00DSBALL 5N1P3R, on Feb 4 2009, 05:33 PM, said:

I think it sounds great, but being 15, I don't know if I would be fully capable, or have the time.

Will you still be offering your own paint jobs though?

Thanks.



Yes, I will definitely still be offering my services for camouflaging and customizing your markers.



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Posted 05 February 2009 - 08:43 AM

That all sounds really good, and I think the instructions are good, at least I understood them, but I was thinking it might be a good idea to sell the DIY kit and the paints seperately. I say this because I'm considering having one of my guns camoflaged, but my main one when I get it painted I just want it to be black. You could sell just some colors, that way if someone wants to just do just one color or a 2 color camo or mix and match they could, and you could sell the rest of the stuff needed in a kit. The kit could have all the stuff that was mentioned before like the gloves and spoon kits and the clear coat so everyone gets that, but the colors could be sold individually, like black, grey, white and brown and then you could have "Omnipat color kit" and "SO digi color kit"

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 03:38 PM

View Postbob endo, on Feb 3 2009, 09:59 PM, said:

Frog tape is designed for use with LATEX paints.
Duracoat is an epoxy, isn't it ?
That could be bad mojo, right there.
Have you tried it with chemical paints yet, Warwitch ?



Well epoxy base might be a little harsh for it. Ive used it with Fusion and had no issues whatsoever though.
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 05:50 PM

my only suggestion so far would be to make sure that the omnipat instructions explain how to blend the colours properly in detail.
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 06:31 PM

What kind of air brush can be used? Will this paint work with say, a model airbrush kit like Posted Image or do you have to use one with a compressor? While air brushing will give the most professional look can the paint be applied with a brush?

Not everyone has access to a proper compressor system.
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Posted 06 February 2009 - 06:48 PM

View PostPuzuma, on Feb 6 2009, 08:31 PM, said:

Not everyone has access to a proper compressor system.



Ive often wondered why you couldnt run an airbrush of double regged nitro tank?
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Posted 07 February 2009 - 03:48 PM

View PostBig Bone, on Feb 4 2009, 07:11 PM, said:

View Postwico90, on Feb 4 2009, 11:54 AM, said:

It sounds like an awesome idea. Speaking for the scenario guys I know, a flecktar pattern would be great. there are many scenario player's who would love this pattern. otherwise, directions and stuff look great.



Flectarn... really? I've only painted one flectarn gun in the past and I think I've only had requests for a quotes maybe 3-4 times. I don't think I would sell the paint but I could definitely sell the vinyl stencils in Flectarn. I had to make the pattern when I painted the flectarn A5 I did a while ago-

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If you do think there would be an interest in the vinyl stencils let me know, thanks.

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I know a lot of the guys we go with would like to paint their guns fleck to match our gear but painting it by hand is time consuming. If you offered it at a relatively cheap price i think you'd get more hits... especially if you had some guns at d-day.

I custom painted mine.

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Posted 07 February 2009 - 04:00 PM

View PostWarwitch, on Feb 6 2009, 08:48 PM, said:

View PostPuzuma, on Feb 6 2009, 08:31 PM, said:

Not everyone has access to a proper compressor system.



Ive often wondered why you couldnt run an airbrush of double regged nitro tank?


I can't imagine why you couldn't but I would be concerned about possible back pressure. I wouldn't want paint in my tank.
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Posted 08 February 2009 - 09:05 AM

I'm happy to hear that 3oz of each paint will be enough to digicam my JCS. Maybe I'll have enough paint from one kit to do two trial runs on my 98.

I'm not sure how much it would add to the final cost of the kit, but a couple of visuals to go with the written instructions would be tremendously helpful. One sheet of cardstock folded down the middle produces four "pages," which would offer enough room for the instructions and some guide-photos. For instance: Step One could be just a single photo of all the necessary materials. Step Two could be a shot of the marker after completion of 2.3 and 2.4 (sanded and taped/plugged). Step Three might need two shots: one of mixing the paint and one of the airbrush in action to illustrate how far the brush ought to be from the gun, etc. Step Four would be the most involved, with shots of cutting out the stencils from the vinyl sheet, laying the stencils, making relief cuts, and finally painting the the stencils. Step Five needs no pictures, and Step Six might require a shot of picking the stencil off (6.2) and clear-coating, if desired (6.6). So, all in all, that would be eight or ten pictures to supplement the text instructions.

The beta version of the instructions are pretty solid as they stand, but if you want to make them "so your average reader can grasp the how-tos of painting," it seems like some reference pictures would go a long way.

Not that I'm casting aspersions on average readers. . . .

Also, I came across some sites that might be useful to camo junkies. The first, www.roggenwolf.com, is the home of "an Australian-based developer of military camouflage patterns for all terrains and regions." Their FAQ page has an interesting discussion on macropatterns and micropatterns (even if it is a bit marketing-heavy). The second is a German site, and http://www.camotest....llery/index.php has a great comparative list of different camo patterns (on the left sidebar, under "Tarnmuster"). You never know. Nepal could be the new SO Digi.

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 04:03 PM

This is kind of off topic but will painters tape work just as well as vinyl for stencils? :)
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