[Tomero]

So i went playing outdoors with my DP G3 on the field it was like 6 degrees farenheit i hooked everything up hopper etc, tank. went to shooting range and I turned on my marker, pulled the trigger, nothing happened, gun did not shoot with eyes on or off it did not shot a single ball i dont know what happened but maybe it was from cold ?? i came home hooked up tank and IT WORKED !! i was soo PERTURBED because i had to play with rental -,- on the field, so did any one of you guys experienced this ? or know what happened to my G3 that it did not worked on the field ??

[d4rkmonkey]

Was the solenoid clicking?

[Tomero]

of course i wasnt using CO2 -,-... , no it wasnt clicking but later it was but kind of very quiet and even when it wasnt clicking the light was blinking like normal when shooting.

[Danger Dan]

The Battery or bad bolt stick. Welcome to spool valve guns. Just make sure you warm it up on the heater in the car next time you play in the cold.

[slinkyaroo]

1. Batteries get weak in the cold and then preform when they warm up. Hence no selenoid click.

2. Bolt stick - hence ABS.

3. Dwell needs to be increased in cold weather.

Sounds like the marker thought you were nuts and it knew better.


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[Chaos]

yeah, bolt stick is common with G3s in cooler weather. Once they are shooting, they seem fine, its just getting them going in the cold can be tricky. I found the best thing to do is to unscrew the bolt cap in the back, and move the bolt back and forth with your hand to make sure the lube is smooth and moving. That normally does the trick for me. But with bolt stick you normally get a little "puff of air" sound coming from the marker when you pull the trigger. If it seemed like the noid was not clicking, sounds like a bad battery.

That or your marker was thinking "6 Degrees! Are you kidding me!?"

[motoguy1251]

Same here with my gf's g3. mad bolt stick on first shot in real cold weather.

[Krazy8]

Honestly the most common problem in markers of this design...over lubrication.

Too much lube in these single tube designs create a resistance....drag. Slows the whole process down, cuases velosity fluctuations, FSDO, and shootdown just to name a few problems.

Add in cold temps and you create an enviroment that simply will not let the bolt move.

With the amount of cleaning most players do th thier guns (or claim to do) there is no needs to slather all the parts up. Yes in comercial air tool applications where your tool rarely if ever get serviced you go bonkers with the lube.
But these paintball guns get regularly torn down and cleaned so a thin film of lube on your orings is just fine.

As for brand...ehh. Everybody has their favorite. Chances are their current fav...ya..it is the one they paid a bunch for.

DOW 33 is the most universal and consistant one I have found. In temps under 20ºf it does tend to start caking though...so you must not leave excess in the operating system. If you would like...Smart Parts calls it SL33K. And as such they repacakage it and charge 300% more than the market value of DOW 33.

Many other companies are selling good mixes that work well.

In cold weather...slick hoeny works pretty good but it tends to thin out pretty quick in hot temps and simply not perform well.

Here is a big surprize....I like MacDev Malitia lube! Wow, betcha didn't see that coming. It is a good mix of paste and liquid type oils and has not failed to perform well in the extreme temps I tend to play in. So far we have had our Droids shooting well in cold weather as low as 10ºf and as hot as 112ºf. In both instances the failures become electrical. 9v batteries simply can not handle the extremes in temps.

Keep your batteries a comfortable room temp. Freezing them just lowers the amperage to a non useable point and over heating them burns out the cells.
If you run into a battery while playing in cold temps that will not operate the gun...save it and test it when warm. Chances are it is still good just too cold to work the gun.



Good luck with cold weather play!

You want a really reliable gun for cold weather...get a pump!

[Becc]

I've had this problem since I got mine... but I've been playing indoor so cold isnt really a possible cause. Got the new reg part, that helped a little... I took it to the gun techs, they say the reg is really finicky and you can overpressurise it by just turning it a half turn. Also, you can accidentally unscrew the reg when youre trying to chrono, and you gotta screw it back in and fiddle a bit. Then of course theres batteries...

but overall, I still really have no clue. It happens so randomly. and im getting sick of it. 5 times a day with the reg part, 7-8 w/o

[d4rkmonkey]

Becc, on Feb 1 2009, 11:06 AM, said:

I've had this problem since I got mine... but I've been playing indoor so cold isnt really a possible cause. Got the new reg part, that helped a little... I took it to the gun techs, they say the reg is really finicky and you can overpressurise it by just turning it a half turn. Also, you can accidentally unscrew the reg when youre trying to chrono, and you gotta screw it back in and fiddle a bit. Then of course theres batteries...

but overall, I still really have no clue. It happens so randomly. and im getting sick of it. 5 times a day with the reg part, 7-8 w/o

DP regs are fine... I've never heard of anyone usncrewing the reg when chronoing (since pressure kind of makes it REALLY hard to do that), and the reg breaking with the old part is user error (tightening adjustment screw too much... wish the new reg part fit my f8 though, because then I wouldn't have to worry about it anymore). The only way you could over pressurize it with a half turn is if you were already at a fairly high pressure.

[Becc]

*shrugs* I'm telling you thats what happened... the reg unscrewed very easily for me, had to take a pipe wrench to it after taking it apart. and it was at 230 and i was turning it down, im assuming that time i cut it off too much. otherwise, it was either at 280 or 300, and velocity wouldnt change no matter how much i turned it.. till it did for one ball then stopped working.

[d4rkmonkey]

Becc, on Feb 1 2009, 07:08 PM, said:

*shrugs* I'm telling you thats what happened... the reg unscrewed very easily for me, had to take a pipe wrench to it after taking it apart. and it was at 230 and i was turning it down, im assuming that time i cut it off too much. otherwise, it was either at 280 or 300, and velocity wouldnt change no matter how much i turned it.. till it did for one ball then stopped working.

weird... really weird...

[Becc]

yah... im getting ready to bash it against something hard.. like a hammar. gonna call dp eventually and complain i guess. think i just got a bad melon, stuff like that happens. still, point was its not necessarily due to cold since i play indoor and it happens all the time to me... seems like his gun is comin down with mine's flu.

edit: gonna call dp... not the gun... yes hello, g3, why arent you working?

This post has been edited by Becc: 01 February 2009 - 07:27 PM