ghostinthewood, on Jan 31 2009, 10:26 AM, said:
I.K.E., on Jan 31 2009, 09:10 AM, said:
ghostinthewood, on Jan 31 2009, 09:59 AM, said:
I.K.E., on Jan 30 2009, 11:22 PM, said:
ghostinthewood, on Jan 30 2009, 11:53 PM, said:
Except you dont get the best bang for your buck. I'd prefer a SP1 over a tippman. Want to talk about durability, theyre electronic and can shoot under water. So even their selling point is arguable.
The field here has cockers and old Angels as rentals. Another field has a timmy they loan out when all the teams are there to walks ons so theyre not out gunned....
Not disagreeing with you on the above. Just pointing out that Tippmanns are not total junk like they are made out to be. They may have been surpassed as of late (IE BT4), but they still fill their niche pretty well.
Ha. They do fill their niche well, no arguing that. But, that doesnt mean that they are still quality and preform well with everything else being the same.
Except that if they made markers that don't do what they are intended to do, they would not be able to maintain their place. When I think "low quality" the words Brass Eagle
come to mind. In the least, Tippmanns do perform at least moderately well, and are very decent in their reliability. The main concession I am going to make is in the "bang for your buck" category. I think Tippmanns are overpriced for what you get. Part of the cost is merely the name. I agree with that. But the SAME concept holds true to MANY of those higher-end markers. As was discussed in a recent thread regarding a $1500 marker that was recently released (the one wit the talking board), the mark-up on those high-end markers is way overdone.
The key is to find a balance. Find a good deal on a decent marker and go with that. But spending $800, or $600, on a single marker is a massive overpayment, and slightly obscene.
All markers do what theyre intended to do for the most part. Even VL Orions.
Paying $600-800 on a marker is fine, so long as its not new. You can find last years egos and trices for near half price with some work done to them. $1500 for a marker for the average person is too much, sure. Half that price, or anything above/around the $400 price range makes sense for anyone competitive. If you're not playing to win then it doesnt matter how much you spend so long as youre having fun. Balance isnt restricted to certain money qualifications really though, it goes from person to person. So saying that someone can't spend a lot of money because its not worth it to you is, well, obscene.
Being competitive is not about the marker. That, I believe, we've already established. While one cannot do without decent equipment, it is the skill of the player that makes the greater difference. You can be competitive enough with a $400 marker, and, I'd bet, do as well with it as any of the pros. What you seem to be saying, is that two equally skilled players, one with an $800 marker, and one with a $400, and the guy with the $800 marker has some kind of edge over the other guy? I don't believe it. There is a cost threshold in there some place where all you are doing is paying more money rather than getting increased performance. I highly doubt that that threshold is higher than $400.
Sure, it is just my opinion of how much someone should spend. (I didn't say they CAN'T, I said they shouldn't.) But I'm not a big fan of the "Tool Man" types who always think that bigger is better, or that spending more gets you more. You get what you pay for, but that has a limit. Bill Gates' million-dollar marker sure wouldn't be better than your $600-$800 one. Ol' Bill would still get owned on the field. Not my job to run people's lives, but it is my firm belief that just because a person CAN do a thing, does not mean a person SHOULD do that thing.
I'll just leave it with: We've both made value judgments on this issue. Mine is about spending too much, and yours seems to be about not spending enough.
But in the end, giving our opinions was what this thread was all about, right?
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