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Posted 18 January 2009 - 09:13 PM

bolt out back (BOB), DM9 style breech(comes out frone to clean chops, its going to be polycarb so it could use eyes). the actual marker(ie the internals) are going to be part of one side, that means the half is only there for ergonomics. here exploded pic:
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the clear thing holds the detents, the thing farthest back unscrews to gain access to the bolt. black oring looking thing is to prevent the bolt from comming to far back, and the bolt. left side comes of to gain access to the board, reg, solinoid, ect.

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it only weighs half an ounce less than the other design.

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Posted 18 January 2009 - 10:50 PM

View Postbetasniper, on Jan 18 2009, 10:08 PM, said:

its not about getting a longer barrel as much as it is shortening your profile viewed from the side. actually, the foregrip near the front of the barrel doesn't hinder or enhance performance. it's just the same as having a stock with the barrel sticking out farther than when it is placed in the stock. the bullpup was designed to provide a normal sized rifle barrel in the compactness of a carrbine(sp?). true, you can move air bunkers with you barrel sticking out, but that is a speedball field, i think? i play outlaw and we don't use air bunkers(they cost a lot). feed is being determined by my team(me) to see what would be best for a bullpup marker. im thinking right offset or q-loader type thing. not sure yet. their will be a remote nipple on the bottom of the stock. i was still designing the stock, so i couldn't put a nipple yet. working on it...


But there are still things you can move in the woods like branches, or some people use carpet bunkers that I'm sure could be pushed a little with the barrel. Also, isn't one of the main reasons to have a long barrel in the woods to be able to put it through foliage? By the way... by performance I meant mine, or the player's, not the gun's performance.

The thing is, you don't need to have a "normal sized rifle barrel in the compactness of a carbine" because the length of the barrel affects almost nothing in paintball. The idea of a bullpup is 100% to have a longer barrel while maintaining the same size.
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Posted 18 January 2009 - 11:02 PM

View Postd4rkmonkey, on Jan 18 2009, 09:50 PM, said:

But there are still things you can move in the woods like branches, or some people use carpet bunkers that I'm sure could be pushed a little with the barrel. Also, isn't one of the main reasons to have a long barrel in the woods to be able to put it through foliage? yea, there are things that you could move, but that is for being stationary. if your on the move, the shorter your marker is, the fasteer you can bring it up. By the way... by performance I meant mine, or the player's, not the gun's performance. you mean like aiming with the barrel? that is what the rails are for. to put a sight so you know where your aiming

The thing is, you don't need to have a "normal sized rifle barrel in the compactness of a carbine" because the length of the barrel affects almost nothing in paintball. The idea of a bullpup is 100% to have a longer barrel while maintaining the same size. it affects the sound signiture of your marker. a quieter marker means it takes less time for the opfor. to realize where you are. that can be the difference between being eliminated and being the eliminator.

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 07:05 AM

View Postd4rkmonkey, on Jan 18 2009, 11:50 PM, said:

But there are still things you can move in the woods like branches, or some people use carpet bunkers that I'm sure could be pushed a little with the barrel. Also, isn't one of the main reasons to have a long barrel in the woods to be able to put it through foliage? By the way... by performance I meant mine, or the player's, not the gun's performance.

The thing is, you don't need to have a "normal sized rifle barrel in the compactness of a carbine" because the length of the barrel affects almost nothing in paintball. The idea of a bullpup is 100% to have a longer barrel while maintaining the same size.


I'll have to assure you, from one guy whose primary is actually a bullpup design, the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.

Keep in mind that there are two things this does, it moves the hopper significantly back, and it reduces the length of the barrel. When you are trading shots one verses one, a bullpup design doesn't help you much... but I rarely engage just one person at a time. It severely limits the angles the opfor can get on me. Because it's shorter, its easier to flip up on my shoulder. Its easier to run and gun in the woods with a shorter marker. Its easier to slide with a shorter marker. Its easier to maneuver with tons of obstacles. Its easier to crawl with a shorter marker. Its easier to snap to an aiming position, when I don't have to worry about a tree being in the way. When I shoot, I don't have to stick out of my bunker, thereby giving the opfor a bigger target. I can get closer to cover when I'm really pinned.

Fine, I can't push a carpet out of the way when I'm shooting. Why don't you run with a 40" barrel? If barrel length really doesn't matter you could push away TONS of crap with a barrel that big. We all know why, it would be REALLY freakin unwieldy. If you haven't used a bullpup marker, its hard to really know how it would help you in the woods. I can't get behind a bigger rifle style marker anymore... it feels like I've got a big freakin tumor on my shoulder.
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 09:20 AM

So is it gonna be like a kit for a marker, if so what marker?
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 10:14 AM

Dude that is.... SEXTASTIC! it looks sick, and it is really compact. I would only worry about the strength of the stock considering the small attachment that connects it to the trigger frame.
Dark, regardless of length of barrel, your profile from the side is reduced considering the marker is in the space that is usually just where you stock or tank is, second not it is ultra compact and you don't have to worry about the gun banging on trees and junk, plus you get the advantage of a 14 inch barrel without your gun being really big. This would be great for those people who are sprinting from bunker to bunker and up in the front of the battle.

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 04:22 PM

View Postno remorse, on Jan 19 2009, 08:20 AM, said:

So is it gonna be like a kit for a marker, if so what marker?

not a kit for a marker, it will be its own marker. i already designed most of the internals. see exploded pic at top of page.

the stock is pretty strong right now, it is going to be made of either nylon 6,6 or glass filled nylon 6 or something else that can be injection molded. gonna add ribs if it needs it.

BTW, that is a 14 in barrel and the overall length of the marker is 18in(thats with the rubber backplate).

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im debating weather or not to use a plastic trigger guard or overmold aluminum wire. please tell me what you think would be best.

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 08:55 PM

I would use a removable plastic trigger guard . I don't like to use my trigger guard because i think it gets in the way more but some fields make you use them. I was thinking about something but its probably not practical if you could make the grip move that way its more comfortable for people. Say if somebody is shorter they could move it back so its more snug or if they are bigger they can extend it

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 09:05 PM

i was thinking of a removeable metal trigger guard, but then it would weigh more than neccissary. so i went with plastic in the model. i like the idea of a removable plastic guard, i might do thta.

also, i thought of an adjustable length grip a while ago. it was just to comlpicated for practical use. it wouldn't be as strong as a fixed length while being the same weight. so it ended up being fixed at 11in because that is the normal distance a stock places a grip on other paintball guns.
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 09:12 PM

So with your design will it allow co2 ? Where will the remote nipple thing go
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 09:15 PM

on the bottom of the stock. the design might not like CO2 as much, but it should take it. i think i will put an expansion option for CO2
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 09:19 PM

Ok thats cool and what kind of grips will it be able to accept? I was actually toying around with a idea on inventor but i have been using cad to much and i keep forgetting how to do stuff lol
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 09:22 PM

I want it to use normal grips so it can be custimized, but I don't know what dimentions normal grips use. So I'm stuck with weird undershaped grip. Inventor is fun, when it works. I've only used Inventor on a slow comp so I don't know its abilities.
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 09:27 PM

If you can get a nice computer Inventor is so much better then CAD for some stuff. I made a hub cap on Inventor took me 15 minutes would of taken about an hour and a half on CAD. I have the newest version at school of CAD and Inventor and i have been having more problems with Inventor it kinda takes a little longer to get measurements in , then there's a few glitches and stuff.
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Posted 19 January 2009 - 09:37 PM

don't get me wrong, inventor is a good program, but my school doesn't like to do stuff effectively. i mean, they could link all of the computers to make a cluster "super" computer. and that way, its fast. so my experiances with inventor hasn't been the greatest. i use solidworks on my comp(nice intel quad) and it runs like no other. may be its just me. im always behind in the versions(for reasons not supposed to be talked about) by a year or two. your are lucky.
eh, double post. stupid slow comp.

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