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#16 User is offline   BlackLight Z 

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Posted 24 November 2008 - 06:13 PM

View PostCorrupted355, on Nov 23 2008, 10:34 PM, said:

There are a few complaints I have about this marker. One of the guys on my team purchased a TM-7 sight unseen, the week it came out. Having put plenty of trigger time on it, we've managed to uncover the strong points, as well as some annoyances.

First, it is a very nice performer. It shoots great: consistent, quiet, light, accurate (with the aid of a Freak kit), and very cool looking. My teammate has no complaints as far as the putting balls down range goes. It hits targets with the best of 'em.

The problems comes in after the game is over, and you want to maintain the thing. As nicely as the TM-7 is designed for throwing paint, it's equally poorly designed for maintenance. In order to do prettymuch anything, you've got to pop the receiver halves apart. After owning a 98C a while back, this isn't too horribly annoying, but it is rather inconvenient. There is NO field stripping or quick stripping. In fact, pulling apart the TM-7 is even a little reminiscent of the 98 in that you've got a bunch of little parts to keep track of and make sure are in the right place.

But the worst is the wiring. It uses little molex connectors that aren't really designed to be disconnected but for a couple times. So far, they seem to be holding up. It's the solenoid wires themselves that take the beating. The TM-7 we have is currently out of commission because a solenoid wire got pinched during a reassembly, and now doesn't complete the circuit.

There are other minor complaints too. Unlike it's cousin the Mini, the TM-7's plastic shell includes a plastic grip frame. This is great for making it light, but if you want to run tank-on-gun, it makes for a very minor tank wobble that gets pretty annoying IMO. I'd probably be worried about eventual fatigue causing the frame to break.

All in all, it's a great performer, but it doesn't maintain easily. It's a nice marker, but I knowing what I know now, I wouldn't purchase one retail.


thanx for including those weaknesses, will keep an eye on them.
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Posted 24 November 2008 - 06:43 PM

Ive had my TM-7 for about 3 weeks now.. The first day I used it I got two games done and about to start the third when the on/off switch broke. Good thing I had my SP-1 in the car for a spare. I took it to a local dealer and he replaced the switch and said he seen this problem once before. Then before I get to use the gun my room mate picks it up goes to turn on the gun and breaks the switch again. I just finished fixing the switch AGAIN. Im hoping to get a full day of playing out of it this weekend. But this gun has been more of an annoyance then it was worth. You have to be VERY light with the switch or iI promise it will break. For $230 cheaper the SP-1 has been a WAY more durable gun.
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Posted 24 November 2008 - 07:35 PM

PBLMCHLD,

You have made two posts on this forum, both are for the sole and exclusive purpose of bashing the TM7 over a first generation problem. Is this your sole intention for being here?

If you don't want problems out of your marker, don't buy a first-gen gun. They all have their own quirks that need to be corrected, and usually are by the second generation.

As I said in reply to your other post, the situation has been addressed by BT and they are replacing the defective first generation switches for free.

I only point this out because we've had this same discussion before. If you were contributing something new, it'd be different.
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Posted 24 November 2008 - 08:48 PM

Hmm I didn't realize this is the site where I made the first post about my problem. Sorry for repeating myself but I understand there's problems with first generation items. I was just trying to let people know the problem ive ran into with this marker.
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Posted 25 November 2008 - 08:44 AM

I've had mine for a couple of weeks, and taken it to bits (and back) two or three times. This past weekend I had the chance to put ~1000 balls through it.

:wacko: :heart:

It was cold, so I had barrel breaks up the wazoo, but I was actually giggling as I emptied a hopper in full-auto. It had no problem feeding from my TSA loader, though it is apparently too quiet to trigger the TSA every time. I bet that's what's delaying the TM-7 Rip-Clip.

It is annoying to have to keep track of parts when re-assembling it (I always forget the battery door), but I think a dab of hot glue on the trigger spring and trigger guard will make life easier. Not looking forward to taking it down if I have paint in the breech.

No issues with the wiring so far. FYI, with all electronics, it's important to only separate connectors by pulling on the connector body, not the wires.

I tested it with a power supply; the orange "low battery" light comes on when the battery drops to 8.5V. I forgot to check at what voltage it turns red, which I hope to do later this week.
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Posted 25 November 2008 - 09:05 AM

PBLMCLD,

Don't worry about it. Just seemed kind off odd at first to have a new member who had only posted negative reviews about one item.


View PostMondoMor, on Nov 25 2008, 09:44 AM, said:

I tested it with a power supply; the orange "low battery" light comes on when the battery drops to 8.5V. I forgot to check at what voltage it turns red, which I hope to do later this week.


Why didn't I think to try this?

*slaps forehead*

There's a reason you're the Minnesota tinkerer. Now I'm curious too....
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Posted 28 November 2008 - 10:22 AM

View PostThalion, on Nov 25 2008, 10:05 AM, said:

There's a reason you're the Minnesota tinkerer. Now I'm curious too....


I'd be dangerous if I had access to decent machine tools. :)


I did a further test on the TM-7's voltage thresholds:

If battery is > 8.5V, LED is GREEN
If battery is > 8.2V, but < 8.5V, LED is ORANGE
If battery is < 8.2V, LED is RED

Voltages are approximate. Boards may vary slightly, and keep in mind batteries will "recover" some of their voltage when removed from a load, so you may pull a battery out of your orange-blinking TM-7 and have it read 8.7V.
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Posted 29 November 2008 - 12:15 AM

View PostMondoMor, on Nov 28 2008, 10:22 AM, said:

View PostThalion, on Nov 25 2008, 10:05 AM, said:

There's a reason you're the Minnesota tinkerer. Now I'm curious too....


I'd be dangerous if I had access to decent machine tools. :P


I did a further test on the TM-7's voltage thresholds:

If battery is > 8.5V, LED is GREEN
If battery is > 8.2V, but < 8.5V, LED is ORANGE
If battery is < 8.2V, LED is RED

Voltages are approximate. Boards may vary slightly, and keep in mind batteries will "recover" some of their voltage when removed from a load, so you may pull a battery out of your orange-blinking TM-7 and have it read 8.7V.


wow, thats excellent. Thanks for the info. BT should start printing this in the manual. This will get handwritten in the back for future reference. I also, quoted you at the top to get all the info in one place.

View PostagentM192, on Nov 23 2008, 12:17 PM, said:

I disagree on the necessity of a remote. My 68/45 on my TM7 feels excellent.

To each his own, thanx for the viewpoint

This post has been edited by BlackLight Z: 29 November 2008 - 11:58 AM

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Posted 11 December 2008 - 06:02 PM

Following post also edited into original at top

Mook of Shadow Company did fall and subsequently snap his feedneck as well as the rail off his marker. Believe he had to get a whole new body and selector switch from Tippmann Pros. Those of you who know mook should not be surprised.
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Posted 11 December 2008 - 08:25 PM

Crazy kid... sheesh.

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Posted 16 December 2008 - 12:11 AM

Picture with C-Series, Apex Adapter, and Apex added to original
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Posted 31 December 2008 - 11:07 AM

looks good :P

thanks for the awesome review; looks like you put a lot of time into it.
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Posted 31 December 2008 - 07:17 PM

no marker is perfect especially first generation versions.. Anything over Seriel# 1500 is now next generation Markers.

I love my TM7. It shoots like a dream (frozen ropes) and is so effecient.

Also with a ripclip on it.. You have your milsim rail line of sight which is nice.

here is a few pics of mine with ripclip mounted, 8" Lapco apex ready bigshot barrel with Apex tip and a Silencer ( look only) shroud covering the Apex.

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Posted 31 December 2008 - 08:25 PM

Wow. In those pics the Rip-Clip looks HUGE. I still want one anyway. Very nice set-up.
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Posted 31 December 2008 - 10:28 PM

O_o don't u have to hydro test N2 tanks like every year? sounds like a nice gun except for the only running on N2

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