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Chinstraps need to be mandatory I almost was blinded

#16 User is offline   Puzuma 

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 07:57 AM

Mandatory for play? No.
Mandatory for a mask to come WITH a chin strap in the box? Yes.

Some people will love having that extra bit just like some prefer to have a head shield.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 08:11 AM

View PostPuzuma, on Nov 17 2008, 09:57 AM, said:

Mandatory for play? No.
Mandatory for a mask to come WITH a chin strap in the box? Yes.

Some people will love having that extra bit just like some prefer to have a head shield.

That is a really good idea. Maybe more people would play if they new they could be that much safer. Or maybe parents would let their children play that wouldn't before the extra safety? It's not a big difference by any means, but it is a difference. They should be available, but not mandatory. Like attachable if desired, but I wouldn't want it built in because I hate when they hang down.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 08:22 AM

If you want real safety I'd like to see some inexpensive Chronographs come out. Hell, if Hot Wheels can come up with a radar gun for $10.00 they should be able to have a Chrono that can come free with a marker.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 08:26 AM

If your mask fits right then it wont come off...

I wear my mask loose by some standards and I have NEVER had a problem and I play very aggressively and take at least 1-2 headshots a day. Tighten your strap...I know for a fact older proto masks were front heavy because I used to have one but you still shouldnt really have a problem with it coming off...

I would honestly not play at a field if they actually enforced a chin strap rule...there uncomfortable and just look ridiculous.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 06:05 PM

I've had my mask knocked off twice. Once when I was hit by a stampeding big guy, another time when I slid under a net (going off the field I might add)

Both times I managed to cover myself up and find my mask without incident.

(I have also been punched in the face while wearing my mask, everything was fine.)

I cut off my chinstrap when I first got my mask, and can honestly say it wouldn't have helped in either case.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 06:20 PM

I cut the chin strap off my switch ELs the first day I got it. I don't think chin strap should be manatory, as long as your mask fits good, you should be safe.

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Posted 17 November 2008 - 06:22 PM

View PostMAGneto, on Nov 17 2008, 01:33 AM, said:

View PostJackson, on Nov 16 2008, 08:47 PM, said:

Only seen it happen once, and I shot the guy's mask off with a pump gun. He had the strap far too loose. It's not an issues of chin straps vs no chip straps, it's about keeping your primary strap tight enough and/or using a mask that fits your face.


There's a reason Dye put a chinstrap on the I3 pro. When you get hit multiple times in fast succession it applies a force that a head strap is not designed to resist. All of you who are say that chinstraps aren't need are not thinking strait. The fact is that a mask head strap is worn over the crown of your head, unless you're retarded. This will keep the mask from sliding down. What has been proven to be a problem though, is people getting hit with a rapid fire burst in the mask at such and angle that it causes the mask to pop up, and often off the players head.

It's like wearing a seat belt when you're in the car. Ya you may think you look cooler with it off, and yes, even if you don't wear it, chances are you won't need it. But in the event that you do need it, and you don't have it on, the consequences will be severe, and will you are blubbering to your mommy, you'll know you have no one to blame but your UNINTELLIGENT DONKEY self.

No. It would be like some tiny piece of fabric stopping you from hitting the window. It wouldn't stop you from going toward the driver and wouldn't do much good if you were wearing your seatbelt right.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 06:45 PM

View PostPuzuma, on Nov 17 2008, 06:57 AM, said:

Mandatory for play? No.
Mandatory for a mask to come WITH a chin strap in the box? Yes.

Some people will love having that extra bit just like some prefer to have a head shield.


This. my grillz came with a chin strap that I didn't bother installing- I've never had a problem with my mask coming off at all during play.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 07:27 PM

Not to be mean but, I agree with everyone against chinstraps. If your goggles aren't tight then they'll fall off, that's common sense. Last scenario/big game I was in I was shot in the face a good 4 times from less than 20 feet with out a chinstrap I didn't loose my mask. If you want a chinstrap that's fine but, don't push them on others for your mishap.

Haha, no offense but, this reminds me of why cruise control is now called speed control. A man in an R.V. put it on cruise control while driving and he went to make a sandwich. He crashed, sued and now it's called speed control.
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Posted 17 November 2008 - 07:58 PM

i personally don't care either way. i figure chinstraps don't hurt anyone if you wear them, yet they don't seem to be needed that much either. but then again, i don't think you should be forced to wear a full facemask either-life is full of decisions, its up to you to choose what best suits you. if you get jacked up, thats your own fault. for the record, i would not be around an assembled marker without one.

View PostTeddy K, on Nov 17 2008, 10:26 AM, said:

I would honestly not play at a field if they actually enforced a chin strap rule...there uncomfortable and just look ridiculous.

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just like most other safety devices, you can get used to it pretty quickly.i don't understand how you say they look rediculous though-the mask should hide it pretty good. besides, the masks themselves look rediculous! i still love my proto anyways.

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 01:08 AM

I hate chin straps. To me, they just get in the way.
Just keep your strap tight and you'll be fine.
I've only had my mask come off twice since I started playing again.
Once was when I was wearing a VForce Armor (backup, main was really dirty). It just wasn't a good mask, I made a hard dive and it bounced off.

Other time wasn't even the masks fault. I got my Sandana (full head one) caught in some briars (which have since been cut). I moved back quick to avoid a shot and the briars yanked the Sandana, bringing the mask off with it. A chin strap wouldn't have helped me in either situation because of how the masks came off. As soon as I took my VForce Grill out of it's box, I took the chin strap off. I don't even know where that thing is now.
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Posted 19 November 2008 - 11:13 AM

View Postdruid, on Nov 17 2008, 12:28 AM, said:

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Ok you're old, we get it. As faulty as your logic is, you did make one valid point, really old masks don't have chinstraps.
Keeping with my previous analogy, Really Old Cars didn't have seatbelts, Until intelligent minds prevailed, and safety was given a higher concern.
Goggles are the same way, they have been found to have a safety risk, and higher end companies have reacted to reduce this risk.
I know this stuff is hard for you to understand, so I'll make it super simple for ya.

- All goggles are at risk for being "shot off" especially with the increase of shots per second, now available with current tech. If you don't believe this, go to your local field owner and ask.

- Although wearing your goggles tight may reduce the risk, simple physics dictates that it is still very possible.

- A chin stap, along with a correctly positioned head strap, drastically reduced these risks.

- Not wearing a chinstrap, is like not wearing you seat belt, you may go your whole life without getting in an accident, but if you do, and you not wearing it, you're going to get hurt, and you only have yourself to blame. But those type of people are usually eligible of a DARWIN AWARD , so maybe it'd be best if you personally didn't wear your chinstrap or your seat belt.

- Dye and other high end companies put chinstraps on their masks to reduce the risk, NOT because their masks are more dangerous, but because they have higher standards of safety.
What you are saying, is like arguing that newer cars have seat belts because they are more dangerous than older cars, just retarded.....

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 02:50 PM

View PostMAGneto, on Nov 19 2008, 01:13 PM, said:

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Now that we see you can't handle people disagreeing with your position on certain topics without resorting to responses riddled with cheap shots and insults, I can't wait to see how you respond to this one.

I know this stuff is even harder to understand so I'll make it extra super special easy for you!!

Keeping with your car analogy...

Six point harnesses are safer than the typical three point in cars, right? And NASCAR drivers where the HANS device for neck safety. I think all cars should be required to have six point harnesses and everyone should have to wear a HANS while driving. If YOU don't and YOU die in a car accident, YOU can blame your unintelligent self.

Come on. There's a safety threshold that divides being safe from being excessively safe to the point of ridiculousness. You have the option to put six point harnesses in your vehicle and wear a HANS device every time you drive, put do you? "Well, no, that's excessive!"

I have the local field owner's email address, would you like me to send him an email asking him his thoughts about goggle safety? I've got money that says he'll find no problem with goggles today getting shot off. Like I said in a previous post, I shot a guys mask off once. The head ref who I know personally had never heard of an incident like this ever happening before. He's been at the field for years as head ref and played for many many more years than that. Masks getting shot off are just not a common occurrence.

Actually, if you had any grasp of simple physics you would see that with a proper fitting mask and strap it is very much impossible to shoot the mask off. It's similar to the photoelectric effect if you know what that is (highly doubt it). I'll give you a brief explanation of how it relates to a mask. If the mask fits your face and the strap is tight enough, there is a discreet amount of energy required to move the mask. This is dependent on the friction between the foam and your face and how the mask is sitting in the contours of your face. The force of the ball hitting the mask has to overcome static friction and then move the mask which for my well-fitting mask, causes the strap to be pulled which then increases the amount of force it exerts which increases friction force and pulls the mask back to the original position. If a single ball does not posses enough energy to dislodge or move the mask, no extra balls hitting the mask will dislodge or move the mask because they do not individually posses enough energy to move the mask.

Think of it this way (if you can't understand the above which is quite likely): You have a steel weight sitting on the ground. You have an infinite amount of ping pong balls. It takes 10 lbs of force to move the weight. If you throw one balls and it hits with 1 lb of force, it doesn't have enough to overcome the static friction between the weight and the ground, so the weight doesn't move. Throw another ball, still hits with 1 lb of force, weight doesn't move. Throw 8 more balls, and you've in total hit the weight with 10 lbs of force, but over 10 events. Weight doesn't move. This is exactly how it is with a mask. If a single ball doesn't move your mask, a string of balls won't move your mask.

High end companies include a chin strap as an option for the players. If your mask doesn't fit well, then you may very well need a chin strap. They include it for this reason so that their masks can be worn safely by more people.


I find it funny that you are getting so worked up about this topic that you basically insinuated that if you don't wear a chin strap or don't think you need a chin strap that the world would be a better place without you. :D You make me laugh.


Now, would it be possible to stop the TINKLEing contest and maturely discuss the topic without any further insults? Ball's in your court now.

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 03:00 PM

View PostMAGneto, on Nov 19 2008, 01:13 PM, said:

so maybe it'd be best if you personally didn't wear your chinstrap or your seat belt.

And maybe it would be best for the forum if you weren't here....

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Posted 19 November 2008 - 03:44 PM

View PostPuzuma, on Nov 19 2008, 03:00 PM, said:

View PostMAGneto, on Nov 19 2008, 01:13 PM, said:

so maybe it'd be best if you personally didn't wear your chinstrap or your seat belt.

And maybe it would be best for the forum if you weren't here....

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