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Smart Parts owns Spec Ops? As reported in ACTION PURSUIT GAMES Magazine Rate Topic: -----

#31 User is offline   The Stuntman 

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Posted 25 June 2008 - 09:39 PM

This is why I let my subscription to APG run out years ago...quality has gone way downhill. I'll stick to PB2X - much better magazine.
I might check out the next few issues though, just to see if they print a correction....
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Posted 25 June 2008 - 10:04 PM

Yep, that's Tyger alright! I've got that magazine somewhere, not sure exactly. But if I remember correctly, it says his name right on top of his picture.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 10:55 AM

Yer gonna make me haul my sorry carcass out and find a copy of APG now, aren't you all?

Dang it. And this was my day off from filming.

*Edit, a little while later*

Ok, just got back, and had a look at it. Yep, that would be me. The photo was taken on the first day of "Legends" at CPX. Usig the SO "ACU" Digi marauders. I've know Marc for a long time, I'm thinking he, or someone at APG, just happened to forget my first name. It's ok, they got my nickname right. Marc is a beat writer for APG, has a lot of background writing with them, so I don't think it was malicious or anything.

I will comment publicly that my jaw hit the floor when I saw the pic. NOT for the fact it's in print, but because obviously someone at APG does not know what "BOHICA" stands for, or what it means. (Check the front panel velcro piece, under the meters) Makes me kinda sad I didn't use one of my other patches that day to see if they'd run it. ("FUBAR" would have been entertaining....)

As far as the "Spec Ops" / "Smart Parts" connection, I think I can explain that too. Smart Parts, to jump on the rec-ball bandwagon, has a rec-ball / tactical division called "SmartCorps". They do have a "Special Ops" part of the website, mostly with a schedule of events they want to attend, and they still have the "Special Forces" membership thing too. So I can see where the confusion would come in.

IMHO, Smart Parts jumped on the rec-ball bandwagon and are doing to scenario games what they did to tournaments back in the early 90's. The mentality was, and still is, "WIN EM ALL and sell the gear we won them with!" Somewhat laughable considering the multiple source rumors / videos that have surfaced, but whatever. (Dallas 1994 comes to mind...) But SP got to the party about 3-4 years too late, and now they're aggressively playing catchup.

Oh, and Tippmann / SO are working partners, NOT one company. At least that's the last memo I got from the forums here.

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 12:17 PM

Well you first mistake was reading APG.

I REFUSE to read that magazine until I hear that the "cockerdoctor" is fired.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 12:35 PM

View PostPuzuma, on Jun 25 2008, 08:22 PM, said:

View PostJackRock, on Jun 25 2008, 08:14 PM, said:

It could be simply the name of a product line. The term "specops" has been used for years before paintball markers were ever made, albeit far less frequently.

Take a look at the SP website (scrub eyes with bleach afterward if needed). There's nothing there labeled as Spec Ops.



View Posteuglow54, on Jun 25 2008, 08:42 PM, said:

Since we are on this topic, why do people hate Smart Parts so much? I took some time off from the forums when that happened (I think)



View PostxX_jXx, on Jun 25 2008, 08:55 PM, said:

Their lawsuits and intentionally obsolete products from what I gather.



View Posteuglow54, on Jun 25 2008, 08:56 PM, said:

Ah, I heard about the lawsuits. How lame is that?



View Postmotoguy1251, on Jun 25 2008, 09:00 PM, said:

View Posteuglow54, on Jun 25 2008, 08:56 PM, said:

Ah, I heard about the lawsuits. How lame is that?


Very.



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View Postdeltapaintball, on Jun 25 2008, 08:11 PM, said:

Let's not turn this into a Smart Parts hate thread, shall we?

Slow up hoss. Besides 2 off-hand comments nobody even paid attention to, nobody's been hating on SP, what with the topic having nothing to do with SP besides a misprint in a crappy magazine.


You sure?

This post has been edited by deltapaintball: 26 June 2008 - 12:36 PM

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 01:12 PM

Wow, I almost had a heart attack there...That writer will most likely be sued for mentioning the name Smart Parts in an incorrect statment. Why do you hate the Cocker Doctor?
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 01:30 PM

View Postdeltapaintball, on Jun 26 2008, 02:35 PM, said:

You sure?


5 out of 36 (now 37, counting mine) posts.

That's 13.9% (or 13.5% if you count my post).

I would say that's pretty small all things considered.

I don't hate SP, I don't particularly like SP either. I'm pretty neutral to most paintball companies, and SP is no different.


Returning to the subject, this is APG's error, not SP's error. No need to comment against SP for this.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 01:37 PM

View PostThalion, on Jun 26 2008, 01:30 PM, said:

Returning to the subject, this is APG's error, not SP's error. No need to comment against SP for this.

True, but you gotta feel sorry for those guys at APG...They may go out of business.

Ok, Ok, I'm done. It's just that what Smart Parts did WAS terrible and for some people just hearing their name relinquishes hate.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 02:34 PM

OH! That's what BOHICA means...

Thanks for the info everyone. I didn't believe that Smart Parts had anything to do with Spec Ops, but I thought it would 'score' the most comments headed as such.

Tyger, we're taking away one of your minutes of fame for that picture. !4 left.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 02:54 PM

I feel I must defend APG, at least to some degree, here. APG is the magazine that introduced me, and I'm sure many others, to the sport. (It was also the mag where I first saw an add for SpecOps.) My local supermarket (The only place I could bike to, to get magazines) didn't carry PB2X or Splat (some of those may not have been published yet) or any of those, they only carried APG.

APG is geared primarily towards newbies and the Old Dogs that remember their time in the sport from way back, when they see the magazine at the check-out line. The magazine has always kept a "paintball is for fun" attitude and I for one really appreciate that.

True, the publication has editing issues, too many adds, and they re-print the same photos over and over again. However, the magazine is filled with safety tips and articles emphasising sportsmanship, something newer publications fail to do at times. Granted, PB2X and others are written for players who should already know to keep hydrated and keep their mask on and to take it easy on new players--but periodical reminders can't hurt.

Remember, APG has always maintained a balance between speed/tournament and woodsball/scenario coverage. For a while it was the only paintball magazine that covered woods play at all.

And what is all this complaining about the "Cocker Doctor"? Some of the most vocal criticism of APG is their tech guy. He does answer many of the same questions in every issue, but he can't shout "USE THE SEARCH BUTTON!"

APG is also one of the few paintball magazines that where the grandfathers of the sport make an appearence, like Mike Casady of CCI. In one recent issue, Glenn Palmer made a "guest appearence" to answer marker questions.

Bottom line, APG definately has it's flaws, but the "inform the newbs" attitude is something our sport could use. If the poor editing gets to you, then let's complain. Tell them they are loosing subscribers because of the editor's sloppy work.

EDIT: Thanks phantom for the correction.

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 03:35 PM

View PostMaDuce, on Jun 26 2008, 02:54 PM, said:

I feel I must defend APG, at least to some degree, here. APG is the magazine that introduced me, and I'm sure many others, to the sport. (It was also the mag where I first saw an add for SpecOps.) My local supermarket (The only place I could bike to, to get magazines) didn't carry PB2X or Splat (some of those may not have been published yet) or any of those, they only carried APG.

APG is geared primarily towards newbies and the Old Dogs that remember their time in the sport from way back, when they see the magazine at the check-out line. The magazine has always kept a "paintball is for fun" attitude and I for one really appreciate that.

True, the publication has editing issues, too many adds, and they re-print the same photos over and over again. However, the magazine is filled with safety tips and articles emphasising sportsmanship, something newer publications fail to do at times. Granted, PB2X and others are written for players who should already know to keep hydrated and keep their mask on and to take it easy on new players--but periodical reminders can't hurt.

Remember, APG has always maintained a balance between speed/tournament and woodsball/scenario coverage. For a while it was the only paintball magazine that covered woods play at all.

And what is all this complaining about the "Cocker Doctor"? Some of the most vocal criticism of APG is their tech guy. He does answer many of the same questions in every issue, but he can't shout "USE THE SEARCH BUTTON!"

APG is also one of the few paintball magazines that where the grandfathers of the sport make an appearence, like Mike Casady of CCM. In one recent issue, Glenn Palmer made a "guest appearence" to answer marker questions.

Bottom line, APG definately has it's flaws, but the "inform the newbs" attitude is something our sport could use. If the poor editing gets to you, then let's complain. Tell them they are loosing subscribers because of the editor's sloppy work.

I agree completley, I love their magazine. My one problem with your post is bold and red, CCI not CCM.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 04:00 PM

View PostJackRock, on Jun 25 2008, 11:29 PM, said:

View PostPuzuma, on Jun 25 2008, 06:22 PM, said:

Take a look at the SP website (scrub eyes with bleach afterward if needed). There's nothing there labeled as Spec Ops.


Now that I can check it, I'd have to concede. It was just a theory at the time, anyway. I couldn't check out Smart Parts' website when I posted that, because I don't have the flash player installed in my portable firefox at work, and my job's proxy server prevents me from getting it there.


View PostShane_98c, on Jun 25 2008, 08:20 PM, said:

The vest builder gives it away as this company.

APG FTL.




Though, uh....which vest builder are you referring to? I may be blind, but I don't see one o SP's site.



Not on the SP site. Special Ops has a vest builder. So APG is not referring to a product line, but to the company Special Ops Paintball.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 08:46 PM

View PostMaDuce, on Jun 26 2008, 02:54 PM, said:

And what is all this complaining about the "Cocker Doctor"? Some of the most vocal criticism of APG is their tech guy. He does answer many of the same questions in every issue, but he can't shout "USE THE SEARCH BUTTON!"


It's not that he answers the same questions over and over, it's the fact that his answeres are offten very biased and somtimes compleatly false. Esspecily when it comes to questions reguarding the use of co2.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 09:26 PM

I've never come across what you're refering to, could you give me an example?

If you think his answers are "biased and somethimes completely false" then confront him! Write letters to the editor! If he truely is a hack then complaing about it on an internet forum won't change anything.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 10:35 PM

View PostMaDuce, on Jun 26 2008, 09:26 PM, said:

I've never come across what you're refering to, could you give me an example?

If you think his answers are "biased and somethimes completely false" then confront him! Write letters to the editor! If he truely is a hack then complaing about it on an internet forum won't change anything.


All my issues of APG are at my friends house, so no specific examples from me right now. I do remember one issue where he said that CO2 is stored in cast iron tanks and often has rust particles in it that damage O-rings. I don't know about you but I've never seen co2 come in an iron tank, most of the time it's either steel or aluminum and if it's rusting on the inside of the tank then it's a HUGE safety hazard.

When someone asks if they can use CO2 on a marker(usually a cocker) he just pipes in about how he would never use it on any of his markers, some usually false info on how bad it is for your marker, and recommends they get a cheap steely HPA tank (rather than going into way's that they could run CO2 in their marker safely)

I have sent letters, 6 so far. I've never received a reply or anything along those lines, nor do I expect I ever will. Instead I choose to just not support them (YAY capitalism!)
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