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#3856 User is offline   Thalion 

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 06:09 AM

View PostLt.Col.Vortex, on 29 July 2011 - 10:40 PM, said:

I'd like to see another pistol that can take a shot shell strait from a shot gun and put it into the pistol and fire. There is no other.


PW listed a few others, so I'm not going to repeat them. The Judge isn't the only one, it's just the most well known one.

Aside from the obvious question of.... why do you want to fire a .410 from a pistol?


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And the judge limited use?? .45 sort, .45 long. all .410 rounds("bird shot", buck shots, slugs, which are essentially .45's). I dont know of any other pistol that can do that. Its the variety of ammo thats attractive.



1. There is no such thing as ".45 sort" (or short). There is only .45 colt. Some manufacturers label it ".45 long colt" to avoid confusion with the .45 ACP round, but the cartridge is called just .45 colt.

2. .410 slugs are NOT "essentially .45s." The .45 colt is a far, far better round to run through as far as single projectiles go.

As proven here for the unbelievers, .410 slugs are typically .40 or less in diameter. And in a handgun they seriously lack the same power as a .45 colt cartridge.
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Posted 30 July 2011 - 07:07 AM

Exactly, when you can fire a .45 caliber 250 grain slug at a solid 1000 FPS, why anyone would elect to fire a less accurate, <.40 caliber, 80-100 grain slug at similar or less velocities is beyond me. And that's the ballistic difference between a .45 Colt and a .410 shell. Hell, with those numbers, most good 9mm is superior in everything but bullet diameter. The best use of the Judge is when you want a fast spreading shot pattern at very close range. Such as when faced with an angry snake.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 07:28 AM

But...but.... it's a shotgun shell! :dodgy:
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Posted 30 July 2011 - 10:30 AM

.410 is a pest control and small game round. Kinda like a .22. And I'd rather have the .22. Lighter and more accurate.
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Posted 30 July 2011 - 11:50 AM

Range today with the mosin and some 203 grain soft point brown bear ammo.

DAMN! LOL Only ever shot .22's and 20ga before :) ME-LIKEY

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.410 is a pest control and small game round. Kinda like a .22. And I'd rather have the .22. Lighter and more accurate.


I've got nothing against .410...I view it as just less shot...*shrug*

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 02:23 PM

Welcome to the world of centerfire rifles Ten. All kinds of fun to be had in that domain.
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Posted 30 July 2011 - 04:41 PM

Silver cases, bronze jacket bullet with exposed lead? First ammo I ran through my Mosin too. :D Fun stuff. If I ever shoot a bear, that'll be my choice of ammo.

Though the 147 grain stuff is a lot faster and flatter shooting at normal ranges. And has just a hair less recoil. Though in that heavy old Mosin, it's kind of a moot point.

And I have nothing against .410 either. I just recognize it for what it is. It is good for new shooters, it is plenty for squirrel, snake, etc. But it's small and low powered. I'd prefer a 20 or 12 gauge for all the uses I'd use a shotgun for.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 08:21 PM

View PostThalion, on 30 July 2011 - 09:28 AM, said:

But...but.... it's a shotgun shell! :dodgy:



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Posted 30 July 2011 - 09:29 PM

Dude, just giving you more info. Your money, your choice.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 09:58 PM

View PostPistolWhipped, on 30 July 2011 - 11:29 PM, said:

Dude, just giving you more info. Your money, your choice.


This.

We're not some cabal on the payroll of some gun company or another out to sabotage any and all competition or other schools of thought. We're just guys who've been around longer and seen more stuff in the gun world.

We're just passing on knowledge. The ultimate choice to be made is yours, but we're offering to share what we know to help provide more facts to base that choice on. Some of us have learned things through experience, others through knowledge passed on by those that came before us.

Taurus is a fine company for a lot of things. Just don't buy into the marketing hype of what is useful until you actually examine the real-world usefulness of a thing.
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Posted 31 July 2011 - 08:53 AM

Exactly.

Take me. I ain't a fan of Taurus semi-autos. Not gonna diss them, but not gonna buy them.

But I hold their revolvers in high regard. Mechanically, even the Judge is a good revolver. I especially like their medium frame .357s like the Model 65. They are pretty damn close to the old S&W K-frames (like your Dad's Model 10-5) but handle the wear and tear of .357 better. And their Raging Bulls are probably only second to Ruger's Redhak/Super Redhawk line in durability, and I'm not even sure about that. I'd feel perfectly well armed with just about any of their revolvers, and they start about $350-400 for basic snubbies and revolvers.

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 09:26 AM

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 10:16 AM

Funny, almost to prove the point we're not in a conspiracy... I don't mind the Taurus semis. For the most part, they aren't for me. But I've shot their 1911 and their TCP .380 and both of them seemed to be solid guns for what they are supposed to be. I just like my double stack 9mm plastic pistols more.

The TCP would make a good BUG though, and I'd put it on par with Ruger's LCP or Keltec's P3AT (all 3 of them are basically the same gun)

Speaking of Taurus revolvers.... I wouldn't mind getting a Model 66.

I personally prefer the Ruger Redhawk/Super Redhawks to the Taurus Raging series. I just don't like the porting they do on the Raging series. Otherwise? I looked long and hard at a .44 mag from Taurus because of the price point. I might cave in someday anyway.

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I just shot myself, The Musical.

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That guy is going to live on forever on youtube for that brief moment of stupidity. And I failed to follow all the directions.

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 11:06 AM

The 66 is the 7 shot Medium Frame IIRC. Nice handgun, I just prefer a 6 shooter (they are known to have fewer issues with timing than 7-8 shot revolvers). But it's a nice gun to be sure, I know I wouldn't mind having one at all. As for my dislike of Taurus semis, It stems from when I corresponded with James Yeager and he saw a trend of Taurus handguns not standing up to the abuse of serious training. Many failed when subjected to a few hundred rounds in a day.

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 03:21 PM

Right, the 66 is the 7-shot medium frame.

As far as the semi failures - how catastrophic were they? Are we talking FTEs, FTFs, or some awful breakdowns? Just curious as to the nature of the incidents observed. I know a few guys with the Taurus 1911 but otherwise not a lot of people in my shooting community use them. In my area, Beretta 92s/M9s, 1911s, and Glocks are the popular ones. XDs and Sigs form a sort of 2nd tier "more common" but not extremely so.
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