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#16 User is offline   ghostinthewood 

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:17 PM

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View PostSaltandVinegar, on Mar 20 2008, 07:02 PM, said:

I think the media affects a small minority of people who are the ones who end up doing this and the majority are not affected. Nonetheless, the media should try and find more positive things, even though that is hard to find in this world.

Realistically though, that wont happen since it doesnt get ratings. There are quips about people sending soldiers support mail but whole sections on a single soldier throwing a puppy. That means a new direction has to be taken to prevent bad things from happening, and good parenting is very realistic. Of course there will be psychotics and the like, but this is all stress-induced. However, the effects are more severe than asthma.

Better media is somthing to think about, but impossible to consider.


Plus, I'm not sure how effective more positive media would be to the American psychology. Yes it is all stress induced. I haven't learned about the different types of murder yet, but I have learned about the different types of suicide. Media just wouldn't cause suicide, so Ghost, you are mostly correct. I haven't taken psychology yet, so I don't know how much more it would affect the human mind.

I'm going to try and sum up my thoughts on it.

Media leads to the realization of outside factors that could cause stress, however that stress is indirect. If one chooses to allow those outside sources to stress them out or deal with the head on is their choice. However, their parents influence on that decision is directly proportionate to how mature the person is mentally and emotionally.

To elaborate a bit more on that last sentence, we all know smart people in classes or jobs but wouldnt ever want to hang out with them or take them to a crazy party because they couldnt handle it.

I dont think psychology is that big of a deal. I havnt taken any formal classes but i used to read my dad's books and a lot of it 'clicks' once you hear it.

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:24 PM

More school cops perhaps?
Metal detectors?
More money rewards for crimestoppers?(snitches)

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We've been discussing a lot in Sociology, you've probably notice me mention that class quite a bit lately. Well, the past few days we've been studying school shootings and the causes. It's incredibly disturbing how preventable these events are. For one, it's hate and little "jokes" that cause the demons insides shooters. The next thing we saw was that, every single school shooter did something to reach out. They filmed their last wills and testaments, they filmed many videos of themselves. They posted websites and warned of what would happen. So far I am incredibly disturbed at the growing number of school shootings. One answer is to remove guns, my opinion differs. It's an idea, but we can't completely rid guns. But what we need to do is look at the warning signs of what is about to happen. That would help stop anything about to occur.

Anybody else study something similar, or have anything to discuss on this topic?


This is my message to all those who want to shoot up a school:

Someone made fun of you? Suck it up.

Someone put you in a locker? Suck it up.

Your life, no matter how sad you think it is, is still better than the slums of Pakistan, New Delhi, Bengledesh, etc. If you want revenge go after the one responsible and not innocent bystanders. By shooting up anyone you see in a hallway, you become evil, and I lose whatever sympathy I had. Please note that this is coming from me who was never a popular kid. I was called the n-word (though I am white, by a black kid) was beat up (a couple times, though by no means seriously), and cussed out. Yet, I never had the inclination to shoot, stab, or otherwise maim anyone.


really? tell a 120 pound 6 foot nerd to suck up getting beat up everyday?
thats like telling Napoleon Dynamite to suck it up and go join a fight club.(minus the bow-staffs)
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:25 PM

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 08:22 PM, said:

More school cops perhaps?
Metal detectors?
More money rewards for crimestoppers?(snitches)


Possibly. But, sometimes that leads to zero-tolerance policies, and trouble makers will just get into further trouble because of such things actually escalating the problems.

From the movie we watched in class. Exactly my point.

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:25 PM

View PostBlackOpsGhost, on Mar 20 2008, 04:12 PM, said:

Ironically enough I just got finished watching "American History X."

Unfortunatly, this was my first time watching it... and I'm 19. I've only known about it for a couple months as well.

I want to add something, but I can't find the words.


good movie
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:26 PM

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 07:22 PM, said:

More school cops perhaps?
Metal detectors?
More money rewards for crimestoppers?(snitches)

School cops are targets and drive violence outside of the school and into other places. *cough*malls*cough*

Metal detectors are useless without other forms of security and practicality. Fine, make metal detectors and kids will find other ways to hurt each other. Shanks and blunt objects arent beyond prisons, its happened here.

The point is to prevent a crime, not report one. Reporting somone shooting people wont save the dead.
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:28 PM

View PostSaltandVinegar, on Mar 20 2008, 07:25 PM, said:

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 08:22 PM, said:

More school cops perhaps?
Metal detectors?
More money rewards for crimestoppers?(snitches)


Possibly. But, sometimes that leads to zero-tolerance policies, and trouble makers will just get into further trouble because of such things actually escalating the problems.

From the movie we watched in class. Exactly my point.


good expel them
i need someone to flip my burgers anyway
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:30 PM

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 07:28 PM, said:

View PostSaltandVinegar, on Mar 20 2008, 07:25 PM, said:

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 08:22 PM, said:

More school cops perhaps?
Metal detectors?
More money rewards for crimestoppers?(snitches)


Possibly. But, sometimes that leads to zero-tolerance policies, and trouble makers will just get into further trouble because of such things actually escalating the problems.

From the movie we watched in class. Exactly my point.


good expel them
i need someone to flip my burgers anyway

And I need people to grow into bitter old men so i can take away their licenses and put them in nursing homes. =)

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:31 PM

View Postghostinthewood, on Mar 20 2008, 07:26 PM, said:

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 07:22 PM, said:

More school cops perhaps?
Metal detectors?
More money rewards for crimestoppers?(snitches)

School cops are targets and drive violence outside of the school and into other places. *cough*malls*cough*

Metal detectors are useless without other forms of security and practicality. Fine, make metal detectors and kids will find other ways to hurt each other. Shanks and blunt objects arent beyond prisons, its happened here.

The point is to prevent a crime, not report one. Reporting somone shooting people wont save the dead.


thats the point of crimestoppers.....
if your friend is gonna go shoot somebody you file the report and they find him with a gun and send him to jail

View Postghostinthewood, on Mar 20 2008, 07:30 PM, said:

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 07:28 PM, said:

View PostSaltandVinegar, on Mar 20 2008, 07:25 PM, said:

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 08:22 PM, said:

More school cops perhaps?
Metal detectors?
More money rewards for crimestoppers?(snitches)


Possibly. But, sometimes that leads to zero-tolerance policies, and trouble makers will just get into further trouble because of such things actually escalating the problems.

From the movie we watched in class. Exactly my point.


good expel them
i need someone to flip my burgers anyway

And I need people to grow into bitter old men so i can take away their licenses and put them in nursing homes. =)


im 45 years from retirement and thats an early retirement :)
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:34 PM

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 07:30 PM, said:

View Postghostinthewood, on Mar 20 2008, 07:26 PM, said:

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 07:22 PM, said:

More school cops perhaps?
Metal detectors?
More money rewards for crimestoppers?(snitches)

School cops are targets and drive violence outside of the school and into other places. *cough*malls*cough*

Metal detectors are useless without other forms of security and practicality. Fine, make metal detectors and kids will find other ways to hurt each other. Shanks and blunt objects arent beyond prisons, its happened here.

The point is to prevent a crime, not report one. Reporting somone shooting people wont save the dead.


thats the point of crimestoppers.....
if your friend is gonna go shoot somebody you file the report and they find him with a gun and send him to jail

The problem among crime stoppers isnt the reward, its the morality. Again, another issue to be broken down in the brain of individuals, not one to be generalized among groups of people or blamed on foreign factors. It goes along the lines of people knowing their friends are anorexic or bulemic and not doing anything for it.


You missed the point of my nursing home comment completely. The point is most people can be helped so quickly throwing them out as undesirable is inhuman and numb. Those people themselves should be thrown out because they are not contributing to society because they constantly damn people. Of course, I think even those people can be helped so I wont be the one to boot them either. =)

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:35 PM

Cops are good, to a certain point. I think there should be cops on school grounds, but not to overwhelm the school with cops.

Umm, crimestoppers, no. My dad doesn't actually work at a juvenile detention center, he's an engineer, but he does volunteer down there. So far, he has had kids come back to him four or five times in the past two years being volunteered down there. If sending them to jail isn't doing anything, than there is more to be done. He will just live a life of crime.
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:37 PM

View Postghostinthewood, on Mar 20 2008, 07:34 PM, said:

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 07:30 PM, said:

View Postghostinthewood, on Mar 20 2008, 07:26 PM, said:

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 07:22 PM, said:

More school cops perhaps?
Metal detectors?
More money rewards for crimestoppers?(snitches)

School cops are targets and drive violence outside of the school and into other places. *cough*malls*cough*

Metal detectors are useless without other forms of security and practicality. Fine, make metal detectors and kids will find other ways to hurt each other. Shanks and blunt objects arent beyond prisons, its happened here.

The point is to prevent a crime, not report one. Reporting somone shooting people wont save the dead.


thats the point of crimestoppers.....
if your friend is gonna go shoot somebody you file the report and they find him with a gun and send him to jail

The problem among crime stoppers isnt the reward, its the morality. Again, another issue to be broken down in the brain of individuals, not one to be generalized among groups of people or blamed on foreign factors. It goes along the lines of people knowing their friends are anorexic or bulemic and not doing anything for it.

View Postghostinthewood, on Mar 20 2008, 07:32 PM, said:

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 07:30 PM, said:

View Postghostinthewood, on Mar 20 2008, 07:26 PM, said:

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 07:22 PM, said:

More school cops perhaps?
Metal detectors?
More money rewards for crimestoppers?(snitches)

School cops are targets and drive violence outside of the school and into other places. *cough*malls*cough*

Metal detectors are useless without other forms of security and practicality. Fine, make metal detectors and kids will find other ways to hurt each other. Shanks and blunt objects arent beyond prisons, its happened here.

The point is to prevent a crime, not report one. Reporting somone shooting people wont save the dead.


thats the point of crimestoppers.....
if your friend is gonna go shoot somebody you file the report and they find him with a gun and send him to jail

The problem among crime stoppers isnt the reward, its the morality. Again, another issue to be broken down in the brain of individuals, not one to be generalized among groups of people or blamed on foreign factors. It goes along the lines of people knowing their friends are anorexic or bulemic and not doing anything for it.



You missed the pointed of my nursing home comment completely. The point is most people can be helped so quickly throwing them out as undesirable is inhuman and numb. Those people themselves should be thrown out because they are not contributing to society because they constantly damn people. Of course, I think even those people can be helped so I wont be the one to boot them either. =)


pfft
it depends on the kid
I have a few friends that I wouldnt file on no matter what
than I have a few other semi-close friends who if it was serious enough and the reward :) was high enough I would file a report in an instant

View PostSaltandVinegar, on Mar 20 2008, 07:35 PM, said:

Cops are good, to a certain point. I think there should be cops on school grounds, but not to overwhelm the school with cops.

Umm, crimestoppers, no. My dad doesn't actually work at a juvenile detention center, he's an engineer, but he does volunteer down there. So far, he has had kids come back to him four or five times in the past two years being volunteered down there. If sending them to jail isn't doing anything, than there is more to be done. He will just live a life of crime.


that has nothing to do with crimstoppers

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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:42 PM

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 08:37 PM, said:

View PostSaltandVinegar, on Mar 20 2008, 07:35 PM, said:

Cops are good, to a certain point. I think there should be cops on school grounds, but not to overwhelm the school with cops.

Umm, crimestoppers, no. My dad doesn't actually work at a juvenile detention center, he's an engineer, but he does volunteer down there. So far, he has had kids come back to him four or five times in the past two years being volunteered down there. If sending them to jail isn't doing anything, than there is more to be done. He will just live a life of crime.


that has nothing to do with crimstoppers

It does. Crime stoppers may stop a crime, but it doesn't necessarily prevent further troubles. Calling in a crime is good. But, if nothing is going to get done to save a kids life, or possibly many others, than I don't think it is as good as it seems. It would be nice if we could just butts the criminals problems and try and find a way to fix their lives.
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:44 PM

I say if the teenager doesnt want to learn dont make him. Let him flip burgers at a fast-food joint for the rest of his life.
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:44 PM

I agree with Ashrak; suck it up. Everyone's been ostracized at one point or another. It's how that person handles it that makes the difference in their integrity. Theres always going to be that one a-hole that can't keep his mouth shut and feels compelled to put you as well as others down because of their own personal insecurities. That's the way life is. There will always be a-holes; jerkoffs; sh** bags and the like. The journey is learning to deal with that stress in a productive manner.
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Posted 20 March 2008 - 07:46 PM

View PostSaltandVinegar, on Mar 20 2008, 07:42 PM, said:

View PostZKM_95, on Mar 20 2008, 08:37 PM, said:

View PostSaltandVinegar, on Mar 20 2008, 07:35 PM, said:

Cops are good, to a certain point. I think there should be cops on school grounds, but not to overwhelm the school with cops.

Umm, crimestoppers, no. My dad doesn't actually work at a juvenile detention center, he's an engineer, but he does volunteer down there. So far, he has had kids come back to him four or five times in the past two years being volunteered down there. If sending them to jail isn't doing anything, than there is more to be done. He will just live a life of crime.


that has nothing to do with crimstoppers

It does. Crime stoppers may stop a crime, but it doesn't necessarily prevent further troubles. Calling in a crime is good. But, if nothing is going to get done to save a kids life, or possibly many others, than I don't think it is as good as it seems. It would be nice if we could just butts the criminals problems and try and find a way to fix their lives.


Hmmm well say hypothetically my friend and I were dealing drugs. If someone ratted on my friend and he went to jail, I probably wouldnt deal anymore...
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