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Posted 06 December 2007 - 09:58 AM

Since you are going to be classifying players for 2008, does this mean that there is a system for splitting divisions set up now?
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Posted 06 December 2007 - 10:02 AM

Check this thread: http://forum.specialopspaintball.com/index...t=0&start=0

There's clarifications in there.
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Posted 06 December 2007 - 10:18 AM

Thanks. I'm actually looking for a definition of the divisions, and what will put a team in one division or another. So far, there has been nothing set in stone about teams, just players being in different divisions. Only thing I got from that is speculations, nothing set in stone.

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Posted 06 December 2007 - 10:51 AM

Patience, young padawan. The Schloob will be with you shortly and shall show you all!
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Posted 06 December 2007 - 11:18 AM

Not really any hurry, I'm just curious like a cat, lol. I've been paying close attention to this one for quite some time. If you stop and think about it, the 08 season has the potential to make or break the SPPL with all the new inovations. If done properly, I think the divisons can draw alot of people to the SPPL.

That, and most of my team has been buggin the hell outta me to find out what devision we will be in next year :D
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Posted 06 December 2007 - 02:12 PM

Well, from looking at the ID form, if the majority of your team has played MORE THAN one SPPL event, looks like you'll probably be Masters. Otherwise, you could possibly be Basic. Of course, just because you qualify for Basic doesn't mean you have to play it. Schloob said in a BlastRadius interview that teams would be allowed to play up 1 division.
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Posted 06 December 2007 - 02:32 PM

That is what I was thinking too, however 2 or 3 of our guys will be playing their 3rd year in the SPPL next year, the rest will be on their second, and a few their first. On the forum for my local field (HSI) there has been a few concerns posted about this, but I'll let Schloob deal with one thing at a time.
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Posted 06 December 2007 - 03:37 PM

View PostChaos, on Dec 6 2007, 02:32 PM, said:

That is what I was thinking too, however 2 or 3 of our guys will be playing their 3rd year in the SPPL next year, the rest will be on their second, and a few their first. On the forum for my local field (HSI) there has been a few concerns posted about this, but I'll let Schloob deal with one thing at a time.



I am sure we will have some guidlines on how many of what kind of player can be on each team.

A word of caution, in some of the other leagues, I have seen a lot of sandbaging going on. everyone trys to play down.
We (you as player, refs and promoters) have built something special here. A place to play where spotsmanship, honor and fairplay are the standard. Win at all costs has no place in this league.

many teams have told me that they will play up, they want to be the best and beat the best. I hope this is the case.
I would much rather suggest to a team they play down a league than have to force a sandbaging team up.
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Posted 06 December 2007 - 04:16 PM

The sportsmanship is one of the things I enjoy about this league. I stated before that I do not envy the person who has the job of desiding what the devisions will be. I have put alot of thought into it, and am just curious to how the will divide things. Easy way to prevent sandbagging would be to double check info on each player as they sign up for their ID card.
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Posted 06 December 2007 - 05:27 PM

View PostChaos, on Dec 6 2007, 09:58 AM, said:

Since you are going to be classifying players for 2008, does this mean that there is a system for splitting divisions set up now?


Yes, there is a system. I wrote two docs and then thought I had cut and pasted both but I guess not. I have now added a 2008 Player and 2008 Team classification sheet to the ID post. Please check this out and let me know if you have any questions. The basic idea is this however:

Any team that has never played in our format and never competed at the levels describe in the player classification then that team would be in the Rookie division.

Once a team has played one year in the Rookie division they must move up to the Masters division and all Masters division players that have placed in the top three in any SPPL major event has to move up to the Elite division for the 08 season. In the 08 season all teams that finish in the top three must move to the Elite division for the 09 season.

Anyways, I hope this helps if you look at the Doc. attached to the ID Card post you can get more info.
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Posted 06 December 2007 - 05:34 PM

View PostChaos, on Dec 6 2007, 04:16 PM, said:

The sportsmanship is one of the things I enjoy about this league. I stated before that I do not envy the person who has the job of desiding what the devisions will be. I have put alot of thought into it, and am just curious to how the will divide things. Easy way to prevent sandbagging would be to double check info on each player as they sign up for their ID card.



I am sure there will be someone or some team that decides sandbaggin is the way to go, although I don't see how; yet. Remember though that I know most of the players that have particiapted in an SPPL event before and the ones I don't know someone else will. So choose your player and team classificiation carefully. In the Doc previously mentioned I have made a provision for the team that gets eager and feels they are an Elite or Master level team to find out they are not. (see Doc)

Take a look at what I have and let me know if you have any questions.
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Posted 07 December 2007 - 07:10 AM

So looking at this, even though Me and one other member of the team will be playing our 3rd year of SPPL in 08, the rest of the team will be on their second or even first year. That would qualify us for the rookie division, but we could play Masters division if I can talk these monkeys into it right?
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Posted 07 December 2007 - 07:52 AM

View PostChaos, on Dec 7 2007, 07:10 AM, said:

So looking at this, even though Me and one other member of the team will be playing our 3rd year of SPPL in 08, the rest of the team will be on their second or even first year. That would qualify us for the rookie division, but we could play Masters division if I can talk these monkeys into it right?



If I understand what you are saying you would have to play in the Masters not the Rookie Divison. The reason for this is because it sounds like the majority of your guys have played in an SPPL event before. Remember per the player classification a masters player is defined as any player who has competed in one SPPL Major event. ( as a side note: you will see me start using the term Major and Minor SPPL events. The reason for this is that all qualifiers are classified as Major events while all affiliate events, details coming out shorlty, will be classified as Minor events)t you are only allowed two Masters players in the Rookie division. Since you and a few others met the requirement of having played in one Major SPPL event you would not qualify for a Rookie Division.

I hope this makes sense. Let me know if you have more questions or need clarification.
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Posted 07 December 2007 - 08:07 AM

OK, now i'm confused. This is what it says on the Doc that you posted:

SPPL Master Player—Any player who has competed in more than one SPPL Major Event/Qualifier in a previous season.
SPPL Rookie Player— Any player who has not played more than one SPPL Major event/qualifier in the prior season, and has no major National Level tournament experience.

All but two of have only competed in one event. It says a Master Player is anyone who has compted in MORE than one event. We have yet to compete in our second SPPL event, with the exception of me and Fingers, who each have two SPPL events under our belts.

If we have to Masters that is fine, since that I was I was going to push for us to play that division anyway. A win is great, but it's not really worth anything if there is no challenge.

But anyway, if you could clarify, that would be great, I don't want my guys trying to get Rookie IDs if they do not fit into that catagory. Here is a question, can they get a Master level ID even if they are technically a Rookie level player?

And you hinted at "Minor SPPL Events", c'mon, no fair, that's cruel and unusual! Speak up! Details! ....please...... :ghillie:
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Posted 07 December 2007 - 08:29 AM

My understanding is that you always have the option to move up .... so a team with all novice ID's could play in the Elite bracket with no problems.

Also, I think I saw that there was a "play-down" option for up to two players on the team...no ??? So that may be your solution.

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