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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:01 PM

Piledriver here from GTF-B. i would like the thank all the people involved with the sppl for making this a great se qualifier. this is my first sppl event, and i assure u it will not be my last.

Jeeezy was good about tellin us about the prize package deal. I knew going into it that there wasnt one for the rookie team. all the same i wanted to participate for the bragging rights and experience reguardless of the cost. all i can say is that my hat comes off to XB. you guys played one hell of a battle on the first day and the second. i am looking foreward to playing u guys in the finals.
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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:08 PM

OOPS Double post. Read the next one. Sorry

This post has been edited by Danger Dan: 18 March 2008 - 01:10 PM

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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:09 PM

View PostPaleRider, on Mar 17 2008, 03:00 PM, said:

The weather was awsome but It was 35 when I left Utah soo 70 sounded great

I was very excited to see how the new format would play out. After watching a few games
and looking at the score, I could quickly see that the new division made it better and the
new game fomat made it so the fields were more even. many a teams after getting behing in the first half
came back in the second half. There are a few minor kinks to work out but over all I was very pleased with
the way the game format worked.


Can you share what you felt were the "minor Kinks" for those that are curios wha worked and did not work in the new and developing format?
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View Postsplat_life, on Mar 17 2008, 10:10 PM, said:

I was disappointed to learn that XB and GTFB were snubbed by the SPPL in regards to an awards package for their 1st and 2nd place finishes. Rule #31 posted on the SPPL site clearly reads, “Prize Packages: Teams that score in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and Sportsmanship Award will be awarded a prize package. The team voted “Best Sportsmanship” By the referee’s and fellow competitors will be awarded a prize package that is equal to the 1st place prize package in value at each qualifier event and the National Championship.” These teams paid the same as the higher divisions, spent the same on paint, and made the same trip to compete yet were denied their prizes.

I welcome anyone else's thoughts on this matter, which I consider an injustice to both XB and GTFB....


You cry of injustice is noted, however your use of the word "snubbed" would indicate that the SPPL purposely withheld prizes that they would have normally given out. Which is simply not the case.

It would be nearly impossible for the SPPL to publish everything in the rulebook. The SPPL communicates with it's players via Pod cast, This forum and personal contact with players and teams. The SPPL has spent $1000 this year alone in an effort to publish as much informationas possible about the goings on of the SPPL. I would dare say that No other league has given so much effort and taken the input from the players the SPPL has. But even with that effort I am still amazed at the number of participants that have never read the rules, or listened to a pod cast or even asked a question.

I am truly sorry if you feel the way you do. it was never intentional.
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Posted 18 March 2008 - 01:53 PM

View PostDanger Dan, on Mar 18 2008, 02:09 PM, said:

Can you share what you felt were the "minor Kinks" for those that are curios what worked and did not work in the new and developing format?


Most of them are internal, i.e. I need to re-do the score sheets they don't work well with 2 halfs, We need more dry erase pens in the dead boxes so when they dry out we have a back up. We need a better system to check gear out to the refs so we don't loose stuff. I could go on but you can see it has little to do with the players. :D

as far as the play, I think it's a good format
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Posted 18 March 2008 - 02:16 PM

View PostMURPH, on Mar 18 2008, 02:03 AM, said:

i believe (please correct me if i am wrong) but both these teams played in the rookie division. Jayson and the sppl have made it no secret (mentioned several times on multiple forums and blast radius) that the rookie divsion would not be in the running for the same prize packages as the masters and elite teams. One of the reasons being is he did not want more skilled teams playing down just to win a prize package playing against teams just starting out. Both these teams proved there skill and dedication and have been reconized for it. The new divisons are helping new teams intergrate a liitle easier into this league. They have this opportunity to gain the experience to play this league and master it before moving up in the ranks. If the sppl promised great big prize packages to the rookie division and then did not deliver i could understand the dissapointment but that's not the case here. The sppl didn't "snub" them as it was known since the creation of these ldivisions that the rookies would not be battling for prizes, but for experience and bragging rights. We will see them in the masters division shorly where they can show their skill and determination and hopfully earn a prize package.

I'm glad that the people that have participated in the SPPL knew about an "UNSPOKEN RULE." We are a rookie team, we have never played in this league before. I personally will never play in this league again, after my obligation to my team is completed. It goes against everything I have been taught to target new people for your own personal gain in the upper divisions. If the "rookie" teams do not get prizes, why do the have to pay? It is unfortunate that you choose to take advantage of people like that. I am certain that when the "rookies" quit coming. you'll get tired of palying with each other.
I have run tournaments in other sports (for over 13 years); if I ran them like this, they would fail. I certainly hope that ypou "winners" enjoy your spoils at the cost of the "newbie!"
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View PostBladerunner, on Mar 18 2008, 03:16 PM, said:

I have run tournaments in other sports (for over 13 years); if I ran them like this, they would fail. I certainly hope that you "winners" enjoy your spoils at the cost of the "newbie!"


WOW :comp: Lets get a little perspective. In years past, If you were a new (rookie) team and wanted to play in the SPPL your team paid it's money like everyone else, Being new your team likely went up against a vetran team and got beat 3-4 games in a row and went home, with just the experience of getting owned.

Last year there were 14 teams at GA, the SPPL gave out 4 prize packages w/sportsmanship and 6 plaques

This year there were 8 teams at the GA event. The SPPL had 7 prize packages w/sportsmanship, 10 trophies and 90+ medals to give out. So the SPPL doubles the prize package from last year, triples the amount of trophies, then adds individual medals, plus gives the new rookie team a better opportunity to win and learn by playing in their own league, but fewer teams show up so there is less revenue to work a budget with …. [sarcasm) YUP THE SPPL IS SCREWING THE NEWBIE!!! [/sarcasm)
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Posted 18 March 2008 - 03:14 PM

WOW!

Can any one with the time and ambition post up links to the 100's of places it talks about the Rookie devision not getting prizes?

If a player or team neglects to educate them selfs about an event that they play it is THE PLAYER/TEAMS fault. Not the leagues fault for not babysitting.

"UNSPOKEN RULE."? It was spoken about OVER and OVER and OVER.

Sorry end of my rant
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Posted 18 March 2008 - 04:02 PM

View Postsplat_life, on Mar 18 2008, 05:22 AM, said:

Yes, both the XB and GTFB teams played in the "rookie" division, which is where they qualified. Although it may be "known" to you and some others that they would not be elligible for prizes, that is not what is stated in the rules. Although in my first post I quoted rule #31, I learned that that by the 2008 rules it is rule #28. None the less, the rule does not state that "rookie" teams do not qualify. Obviously I can't speak for GTFB because I don't know them, but XB was not aware because they have never competed or participated in any way with the SPPL or any other league for that matter. If it is common knowledge that new teams would not be elligible, perhaps that is why entries are falling. Why would new teams pay the same as everyone else just to come play for bragging rights? Bottom line is either follow your own posted rules, or start charging less for the "experience" of playing the event. Both those teams deserve something other than a medaillion that couldn't even bother to spell the primary sponsor's name correctly (Tippmann) on the back.


Wow! why don't you give me a chance to respond to your private email before you decided to blast me here, I was traveling home all day yesterday without access to emails and unable to respond, or would you like to get the facts first and try to understand why I did what I did, right or wrong in your opinion, or is it easier for you to come in hear and try to tear apart something I have put my heart and soul into since I took over the league early last year?

This is the fourth year of the SPPL and it takes some time to build things right and we are still working on it. But let me give you a little bit context to help you understand. For example, the first year there were no prizes, none, not ta, for teams at the qualifiers. The only prize package given out was at the national event at the end of the year when the National winner and National Sportsman was awarded. In year two, prizes where only give out to the first place team and the sportsmanship team at each qualifier. Last year or year three, same thing only the first place and sportsmanship teams won prizes until I came on board after the first event last year and said "that's got to change, we need to get more prizes for the players that place 1-3 and sportsman" and we did after working hard with our sponsors. I should mention that lasts years prize package was valued at $80,000 dollars and this years is valued a little over $180,000 dollars. That is more than double than last year and we did that because with the creation of division we know we had to give more prizes out in each division. But it takes time! Players think it's easy to get sponsors to pony up big prize packages and that just isn't the case. This is paintball, not the PGA. There aren't as many sponsors and everyone wants something so they are much more selective about how and where they use those marketing dollars. That being said, I am extremely grateful and amazed that our sponsors came through they way they did this year.

You mentioned to me in your private email that you helped sponsor this team with t-shirts, patches and stickers I think it was. But do you see me on your forums saying "that's it it?" Of course not because I understand that you are doing the best you can with what you have and you would probably give more if you could and probably will when you can. I appreciate teams supporting the SPPL and that is no secret. Ask anyone associated with the SPPL who knows me and they will tell you I have worked tirelessly to listen to each and everyone of them. We haven't always agreed but at least they know I understand where they are coming from.

99.9% of the changes this year came from the players asking for things like more prizes, rule changes and clarification and more equal play to name a few. Hence, we have division with more prizes. The players also asked for individual awards and not just a team trophy like in years past. So what did I do? I spent a small fortune on the best team trophies and medallions the paintball industry has ever seen. Why? Because I do care about the players in this league despite your opinion to the contary. I will put those trophies and misspelled medallions (an "n" was left off Tippmann which will be fixed by the next event. I had those rushed and overnighted to be at that event in time so I would have something to give you and not make you wait for it in the mail) up against any other trophy this industry has ever created.

In fact, I know of one at least one member of the team you speak of who was so proud and excited about what he had accomplished that he wouldn't take the medallion off and worn it to school on Monday. If you would like to discuss this matter further please feel free to contact me by phone 801-209-5140. I won't be available from 3/20-3/31 so you will have to call me tomorrow or the first part of April if you would like to talk further. If you choose not to call me then I will just assume you are trying to make a bigger deal out of this than needs be and at the expense of something I care a great deal about.

Jayson
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Posted 18 March 2008 - 04:16 PM

View PostPaleRider, on Mar 18 2008, 02:53 PM, said:

View PostDanger Dan, on Mar 18 2008, 02:09 PM, said:

Can you share what you felt were the "minor Kinks" for those that are curios what worked and did not work in the new and developing format?


Most of them are internal, i.e. I need to re-do the score sheets they don't work well with 2 halfs, We need more dry erase pens in the dead boxes so when they dry out we have a back up. We need a better system to check gear out to the refs so we don't loose stuff. I could go on but you can see it has little to do with the players. :wacko:

as far as the play, I think it's a good format


The only addition I would add to what Curtis has already said is this: We have hold the players of the league to a very high standard of play and it's time that we start holding the refs to the same high standard. Not to say that the refs we have are bad. We just need to do a better job of training these guys. I have the rough workings of a ref handbook that will be used to train our refs at each event as well as the individuals who want to participate in the ref association. In conjunction with the hand book, we will be creating a small training video that will be shown to the refs at each event to make sure they understand what we are asking of them. We have completely overhauled the way we are instructing refs. I am really excited about this and think the changes will be awesome while ensuring our ref standard meets that of our player standards.

Jayson
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Posted 18 March 2008 - 04:23 PM

Please see frequently asked questions for the answer about the Rookie division and what they get.


SPPL Announces New Pricing and Discounts for 2008

The SPPL (Scenario Paintball Player’s League) has announced new pricing for the 2008 season. The new registration prices for the 2008 SPPL season are as follows:

Rookie teams: $400 per event
Masters & Elite Teams: $500 per event
Paint: $65/case

As part of its new pricing structure, the SPPL has introduced multi-event discounts for teams competing in more than one Major Event (Major Qualifier or Championship Finals) in the 2008 season.

If a team pre-pays for the season (two or more events) by Friday, two weeks before their first event, they will receive 10 percent off their entire registration price for the season. (Pre-pay deadlines listed below. Follow the deadline for your first event).

There will also be additional discounts for teams who participate in more than one event. Teams receive:

- $100 off registration for their second event;
- $200 off registration for their third event;
- $300 discount off registration for their fourth event.

The ten percent pre-pay discount will be taken off *after* multi-event discounts. By pre-paying for four events, Elite and Masters teams can save a total of $740 for the year. Rookie teams save $700 by pre-paying for four events.

This new pricing structure is designed to encourage teams to participate in the SPPL Tournament Series, and to make it more affordable for teams to increase their National Rankings by playing in more than one Major Event.

Pre-pay Deadlines for 10 % Multi-Event Discount
Georgia Qualifier, Date: March 15 – 16 – Pre-pay deadline: Feb. 29
Illinois Qualifier, Date: April 19 – 20 – Pre-pay deadline: April 4
Utah Qualifier, Date: May 2 – 3 – Pre-pay deadline: April 18
CA Qualifier, Date: May 17 – 18 – Pre-pay deadline: May 2
D-day Qualifier, Date: June 7 – 8 – Pre-pay deadline: May 23
Oregon Qualifier, Date: June 28 – 29 – Pre-pay deadline: June 13
NY Qualifier, Date: July 26 – 27 – Pre-pay deadline: July 11
Michigan Qualifier, Date: Aug. 23 – 24 – Pre-pay deadline: August 8
TN Qualifier, Date: Sept. 13 – 14 – Pre-pay deadline: August 29
National Finals, Date: Oct. 11 – 12 – Pre-pay deadline: September 26




Frequently Asked Questions

Why does it cost more to play in the Masters and Elite Division than the Rookie Division?
The Masters and Elite Divisions offer prize packages of up to $10,000 for winning teams, while the Rookie Division is a “trophies-only” division.

When is the pre-pay deadline for each event?
To receive a 10 percent discount off two or more events, you must pre-pay by the Friday two weeks before your team’s first event. If your first event is the Georgia Qualifier on March 15 – 16, your pre-pay deadline is Friday, February 29. (Yes, it’s leap year.)
For a complete list of pre-pay deadlines, see the schedule posted above.

Are there any discounts on paint?
The SPPL has decided, to better serve our customers and to help foster the growth of the SPPL as a tournament series, we would keep our paint prices consistently low ($65 per case) and offer substantial savings on registration fees for teams participating in more than one Major Event.

Do we have to pay for air?
No. Unlimited air fills are included for each player as part of your SPPL registration fee.

Do the National Championship Finals count as a second (or third or fourth) event to receive the tiered discount?
Yes, as an SPPL Major Event, the National Championship Finals at Low Country Paintball in Georgia is eligible for the multi-event (and 10 percent pre-pay) discount.

We don’t know how many events we want to play in. If we don’t pre-pay, can we still get $100 off registration for our second event?
Yes! Our multi-event discount is structured so that teams can add events—and receive discounts—at any time during the season. Your team can save an additional 10 percent off your registration fees by pre-paying for two or more events two weeks prior to your first event.

What about if we play in five events. Do we get another discount?
No. The SPPL multi-event discount is only good for up to four events. Keep in mind, only your top two Qualifier scores, plus your national championship score, (along with reffing and affiliate points) will be taken to determine your final ranking at the end of the season.

You said that Elite and Masters teams can save up to $740. How did you get that number?

Event 1: $500
Event 2: 500 - $100 = $400
Event 3: $500 - $200 = 300
Event 4: $500 - $300 = $200

100 + 200 + 300 discount = $600 savings
Total registration cost: $500 X 4 = 2000, minus $600 savings = $1400
10 percent of $1400 = $140
Total savings: $140 + $600 = $740

Do we receive a 10 percent discount if we pre-pay for one event only?
Unfortunately, the SPPL is not offering discounts for registration on single events at this time.
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Posted 18 March 2008 - 04:32 PM

View PostSchloob, on Mar 18 2008, 05:16 PM, said:

View PostPaleRider, on Mar 18 2008, 02:53 PM, said:

View PostDanger Dan, on Mar 18 2008, 02:09 PM, said:

Can you share what you felt were the "minor Kinks" for those that are curios what worked and did not work in the new and developing format?


Most of them are internal, i.e. I need to re-do the score sheets they don't work well with 2 halfs, We need more dry erase pens in the dead boxes so when they dry out we have a back up. We need a better system to check gear out to the refs so we don't loose stuff. I could go on but you can see it has little to do with the players. :laugh:

as far as the play, I think it's a good format


The only addition I would add to what Curtis has already said is this: We have hold the players of the league to a very high standard of play and it's time that we start holding the refs to the same high standard. Not to say that the refs we have are bad. We just need to do a better job of training these guys. I have the rough workings of a ref handbook that will be used to train our refs at each event as well as the individuals who want to participate in the ref association. In conjunction with the hand book, we will be creating a small training video that will be shown to the refs at each event to make sure they understand what we are asking of them. We have completely overhauled the way we are instructing refs. I am really excited about this and think the changes will be awesome while ensuring our ref standard meets that of our player standards.

Jayson


THANK YOU FOR THIS!!! AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND I THANK YOU FOR CARING ABOUT THIS AS MUCH AS THE PLAYERS DO!!!
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Posted 18 March 2008 - 05:47 PM

Thanks for the location of the information Schloob, but I want to point out that one of the teams I am speaking of payed the same $500 as the master and elite teams at the time of registration. As a sponsor of the team, I clearly would be more concerned about reading the rules of play instead of frequently asked questions, which is the area that best described that rookie teams would not receive prizes. You have demonstrated that simply knowing the rules of play is not enough sometimes. It is also important to review every area of the website to determine at what level you should participate to receive a true reward for your efforts.......

Jayson,
In no way was my initial post on this forum a blast against you. I started that post congratulating all winners, and then questioned the lack of prizes for the 1st and 2nd place teams, which appeared to be in contrast to the posted rules. Since then, I have seen nothing but statements that say "they should have known". The quote you posted was my response to those who were clearly "in the know", and obviously expect everyone else to be as well. I have loved the game since childhood, and respect anyone who is trying to find ways to allow it to grow. I do what I can to help the team because I know the joy of play, as well as the feeling of accomplishment that they get when the receive something for their hard work. That was the main point of the post, because they accomplished victory, and were not aware that victory would not receive a prize package like the other divisions. If you feel I have attacked you or your organization than I publicly apologize to you. But when experienced players in the league get defensive and say "they should have known", I can not, and will not just stand by without responding. Yes, the younger players were very proud of their medallions, because they worked hard for them. I will find some way to come up with something in the way of prizes for their efforts, and will reserve any further discussion of this topic until we speak..........
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Posted 18 March 2008 - 05:57 PM

so what the Offcail Placeings form this Event
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Posted 18 March 2008 - 06:18 PM

Just a question. Was the lcp army in this. I did not see them. And could someone post a link to black and blue krew website(if they have one, or a way to get in contact with them). I have a friend on that team I have not seen in a while.
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