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#1 User is offline   SOLIDUS SNAKE 

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 04:34 PM

http://in.news.yahoo.com/137/20090403/760/...r-palestin.html

It pretty much says that the state department is trying to open up talks with Israel in attempt to create a Palestinian state. I'm rooting for Israel, there is no valid reason for a Palestinian state.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 04:35 PM

Go Israel! I didn't figure Obama Bin Laden would be too helpful to Israel.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 04:37 PM

Netanyahu isn't giving us the finger, he's said several times he'll talk with the Palestinians the moment they can keep their own people under control. To me, that's a reasonable request, not giving a middle finger.

Our nation is also trying to force them to get along with Iran, which Netanyahu is far less optimistic about.


EDIT: Since you asked for my thoughts, I think "yay, a thread to potentially discuss Israeli politics." I've been there in the past, and it is indeed more interesting once you've been there.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 04:46 PM

Netanyahu publicly stated that "Iran is the single greatest threat to the world". I don't think he is willing to negotiate with Iran.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 04:54 PM

This is nothing really new, as the so-called "Two state" solution (Israel and Palestine) has been talked about since the Clinton years, and Israel has always been open to some form of the plan, as soon as they can be assured that Palestine is no longer a terrorist threat. That hasn't happened yet, so I'm not holding my breath.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 04:56 PM

I find it bogus that Israel stops aggressions and goes back home.. then palestinians immediately start attacking again. Are the really THAT dumb? They got slaughtered 100 for every Israeli that they killed.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:04 PM

View PostSOLIDUS SNAKE, on Apr 2 2009, 04:34 PM, said:

http://in.news.yahoo.com/137/20090403/760/...r-palestin.html

It pretty much says that the state department is trying to open up talks with Israel in attempt to create a Palestinian state. I'm rooting for Israel, there is no valid reason for a Palestinian state.

thoughts?

lolwut. No valid reason for a Palestinian state? How about the fact that they were there before Israel as a nation existed? There are plenty of Valid reasons for a Palestinian state. Just as much so for an Israeli state.

The two state option is the best option in my book. Israeli's and Palestinians don't get a long well enough to peacefully live under one government. The problem standing in the way of that is the Palestinian terrorists constantly giving Israel hell. No one wants to even talk because of it.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:06 PM

View PostFrontier_Bill, on Apr 2 2009, 06:56 PM, said:

I find it bogus that Israel stops aggressions and goes back home.. then palestinians immediately start attacking again. Are the really THAT dumb? They got slaughtered 100 for every Israeli that they killed.


Shortest possible answer is "yes," although it's not exactly that simple.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:10 PM

I know its very complicated. But you would think that after Israel swept in and layed waste to them, they would wise up and go "Hmm.. you know, maybe, just MAYBE, if we don't drop mortars on them, they would go for a peace agreement!"

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:15 PM

View PostFrontier_Bill, on Apr 2 2009, 05:10 PM, said:

I know its very complicated. But you would think that after Israel swept in and layed waste to them, they would wise up and go "Hmm.. you know, maybe, just MAYBE, if we don't drop mortars on them, they would go for a peace agreement!"


Well, there are ideological issues at play that run against such logic.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:26 PM

Why does Israel even want that land? I mean, what can you grow on it? What is it good for, other than the "holy land"? Just pack up and find some nice Mediterranean shore somewhere and let the Palestinians have their poo hole. Also, the Jews have been their far longer than the Palestinians, since Exodus actually, as in 5,000 years ago.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:40 PM

View PostThe Shepherd, on Apr 2 2009, 07:26 PM, said:

Why does Israel even want that land? I mean, what can you grow on it? What is it good for, other than the "holy land"? Just pack up and find some nice Mediterranean shore somewhere and let the Palestinians have their poo hole. Also, the Jews have been their far longer than the Palestinians, since Exodus actually, as in 5,000 years ago.




:laugh: Makes sense to me. Their not going to stop fighting until they get the land.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:41 PM

View Postike123, on Apr 2 2009, 08:04 PM, said:

How about the fact that they were there before Israel as a nation existed?


If you are short-sighted enough to only look at "modern" history, then sure, the Palestinians were there first. But the Israelis, AKA the Jews were there before the Palestinians. Hell, Judaism has been around longer than Islam, and was in control of that part of the world before Islam.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:41 PM

View PostFrontier_Bill, on Apr 2 2009, 07:10 PM, said:

I know its very complicated. But you would think that after Israel swept in and layed waste to them, they would wise up and go "Hmm.. you know, maybe, just MAYBE, if we don't drop mortars on them, they would go for a peace agreement!"



You would think, but no.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:42 PM

View PostJackson, on Apr 2 2009, 05:41 PM, said:

View Postike123, on Apr 2 2009, 08:04 PM, said:

How about the fact that they were there before Israel as a nation existed?


If you are short-sighted enough to only look at "modern" history, then sure, the Palestinians were there first. But the Israelis, AKA the Jews were there before the Palestinians. Hell, Judaism has been around longer than Islam, and was in control of that part of the world before Islam.

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