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Posted 22 January 2009 - 04:50 PM

View PostAshrak, on Jan 22 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

And? Sometimes the whole country doesn't know what the heck it is talking about. Not to mention opinion polls are exceedingly poor barometers of what the public thinks.

One thing I liked about Bush was just that; he wasn't beholden to the opinion polls and the "6/10 Americans say this" newscoverage. In all the time that Bush was in office, not I, nor any member of my family get sampled in an opinion poll. Not once.



If more than half the country that elected you doesn't like you, and what you are doing, something is seriously wrong.
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 04:53 PM

View PostViolator, on Jan 22 2009, 03:49 PM, said:

The Gitmo decision is absolutely stupid, and will do nothing to "restore our image" anywhere.


Oh really?

ZURICH (Reuters) - Switzerland is ready to consider taking in detainees from the U.S. prison for terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba if that helps to shut it down, the Swiss government said on Wednesday.

"For Switzerland, the detention of people in Guantanamo is in conflict with international law. Switzerland is ready to consider how it can contribute to the solution of the Guantanamo problem," the government said in a statement.

European governments, which for years have called for the camp to be closed, are under pressure to help find a home for around 245 remaining detainees. The camp has held more than 750 captives since opening in 2002, most without trial.

Portugal was the first EU state to say it would accept detainees and France has said it is ready to do so as well, but others are less enthusiastic. EU foreign ministers will discuss the issue at a meeting on January 26.

EU Justice Commissioner Jacques Barrot welcomed on Wednesday Obama's plans to freeze military trials at Guantanamo.

"I am delighted that one of the first actions of President Obama was to turn the page on this sad episode of Guantanamo prison," he said in a statement. "For me, this is very symbolic. In a lawful state, everybody should enjoy the right to defense."



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View PostAshrak, on Jan 22 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

And? Sometimes the whole country doesn't know what the heck it is talking about. Not to mention opinion polls are exceedingly poor barometers of what the public thinks.

One thing I liked about Bush was just that; he wasn't beholden to the opinion polls and the "6/10 Americans say this" newscoverage. In all the time that Bush was in office, not I, nor any member of my family get sampled in an opinion poll. Not once.



If more than half the country that elected you doesn't like you, and what you are doing, something is seriously wrong.


seriously, he was elected to represent the people. he was apparently only representing 22% of them.
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 04:56 PM

View Postoutlaw-master, on Jan 22 2009, 06:50 PM, said:

View PostAshrak, on Jan 22 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

And? Sometimes the whole country doesn't know what the heck it is talking about. Not to mention opinion polls are exceedingly poor barometers of what the public thinks.

One thing I liked about Bush was just that; he wasn't beholden to the opinion polls and the "6/10 Americans say this" newscoverage. In all the time that Bush was in office, not I, nor any member of my family get sampled in an opinion poll. Not once.



If more than half the country that elected you doesn't like you, and what you are doing, something is seriously wrong.


Will you hold to that same opinion if Obama would face the same circumstancee?

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View PostAshrak, on Jan 22 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

And? Sometimes the whole country doesn't know what the heck it is talking about. Not to mention opinion polls are exceedingly poor barometers of what the public thinks.

One thing I liked about Bush was just that; he wasn't beholden to the opinion polls and the "6/10 Americans say this" newscoverage. In all the time that Bush was in office, not I, nor any member of my family get sampled in an opinion poll. Not once.



If more than half the country that elected you doesn't like you, and what you are doing, something is seriously wrong.


Would you hold to that same opinion if Obama faced the same situation?

@ Eville

Says an opinion poll. Opinion polls are flawed, and shouldn't be the engine of policy. I do agree that Bush was unpopular, and I don't agree with many things he did, but to say he was only representing 22% of the country is a vast oversimplification.

Not to mention that through a poll, only about 1500 people are randomly sampled. So yeah, I really trust that poll to be accurate of America as a whole.
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 04:59 PM

View PostAshrak, on Jan 22 2009, 05:54 PM, said:

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View PostAshrak, on Jan 22 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

And? Sometimes the whole country doesn't know what the heck it is talking about. Not to mention opinion polls are exceedingly poor barometers of what the public thinks.

One thing I liked about Bush was just that; he wasn't beholden to the opinion polls and the "6/10 Americans say this" newscoverage. In all the time that Bush was in office, not I, nor any member of my family get sampled in an opinion poll. Not once.



If more than half the country that elected you doesn't like you, and what you are doing, something is seriously wrong.


Will you hold to that same opinion if Obama would face the same circumstancee?



Yep, no problem. Trust me i'm not one of those ''Obama is our answer to everything'' type person. If he BOINKs up our country i'm not voting for him for a second term.
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:02 PM

View PostAshrak, on Jan 22 2009, 06:56 PM, said:

View Postoutlaw-master, on Jan 22 2009, 06:50 PM, said:

View PostAshrak, on Jan 22 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

And? Sometimes the whole country doesn't know what the heck it is talking about. Not to mention opinion polls are exceedingly poor barometers of what the public thinks.

One thing I liked about Bush was just that; he wasn't beholden to the opinion polls and the "6/10 Americans say this" newscoverage. In all the time that Bush was in office, not I, nor any member of my family get sampled in an opinion poll. Not once.



If more than half the country that elected you doesn't like you, and what you are doing, something is seriously wrong.


Will you hold to that same opinion if Obama would face the same circumstancee?

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View PostAshrak, on Jan 22 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

And? Sometimes the whole country doesn't know what the heck it is talking about. Not to mention opinion polls are exceedingly poor barometers of what the public thinks.

One thing I liked about Bush was just that; he wasn't beholden to the opinion polls and the "6/10 Americans say this" newscoverage. In all the time that Bush was in office, not I, nor any member of my family get sampled in an opinion poll. Not once.



If more than half the country that elected you doesn't like you, and what you are doing, something is seriously wrong.


Would you hold to that same opinion if Obama faced the same situation?

@ Eville

Says an opinion poll. Opinion polls are flawed, and shouldn't be the engine of policy. I do agree that Bush was unpopular, and I don't agree with many things he did, but to say he was only representing 22% of the country is a vast oversimplification.

Not to mention that through a poll, only about 1500 people are randomly sampled. So yeah, I really trust that poll to be accurate of America as a whole.


Furthermore, as far as opinion polls go, they just grab whoever is near where they are. That is EASILY skewed to fit agendas. For example if you took a popularity poll of Bush at the opening to the new Tyler Perry movie (Finally, I was waiting for them to make Madea goes to Jail into a movie) and the same poll with the same number of people in line to get to a Professional Bull Riding event, the results would likely be diametrically different. So popular "opinion" polls aren't by any means a concrete representation of a president's actual approval ratings.
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:15 PM

Oh wow, so Switzerland is on "our side"- last time I checked they were a NEUTRAL country, Einstein. And oh boy, France and Portugal are our bestest buddies again, in just a day- will miracles never cease. BFF, Europe! Everything is solved now, since they have no Islamic terror issues in Europe! Let's see exactly who they decide to take and what the conditions are before you go giving out Nobel Peace Prizes like candy. Exactly what will happen to those detainees there? Will they be tried? By whom? Released? Where? What happens to the majority of those that our "allies" won't take, which will be most of them, and certainly the worst ones? Oh, I'm sorry- I'm boring you with the details and facts again. :D


BTW, being President has nothing to do with making everyone happy. It is about doing what is right, and protecting the nation and people as best as possible. Ruling by opinion polls is what has taken many Presidents down the wrong road, including Clinton, Johnson, and Bush the elder.
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:34 PM

All i got to say is it seems like everyone is making money off this ( historical event). and i just think he is to naieve to run our country, i mean look he wants to make a news ancher off cnn surgen generall and a non experanced person to run the CIA. watch him carfully my friends and hope he proves all us mcCain fans wrong. keep yor enemys close and your guns closer.
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:35 PM

Don't forget to hang onto your copy of Webster's English Dictionary, either.

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:38 PM

sorry i thought we were talking about obama not my imperfections
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:43 PM

We all know you're Barack Obama himself. :happy:
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:50 PM

View PostAshrak, on Jan 22 2009, 05:39 PM, said:

You misunderstand.

You said, Bush = dumb butt who doesn't listen.

I am asking to whom do you think did he not listen?


Pet peeve time again:

Bush didn't listen to one group of people that for SURE knew what they were talking about: Teachers. The majority of teachers were and are against NCLB. There are many reasons that I won't mention again, but it boils down to making a very ignorant and ill-prepared generation of Americans.

Then when NCLB expired, he decided to continue it administratively, against the recommendations of teachers.

One example I can speak to.
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:51 PM

View PostFrontier_Bill, on Jan 22 2009, 07:01 PM, said:

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View PostWardenWolf, on Jan 22 2009, 12:44 PM, said:

His first act of closing Guantanamo Bay: that's a stupid, uninformed decision. What are we going to do with all the senseless killers who are locked up there? Put them in a general prison populace where they can spread their hateful agenda?

The idea is to involve the countries they came from in the legal proceedings. Which is a good idea -- we'll see how it works out though. Studies have shown that the inmates we HAVE released are increasingly coming back to the fight against us.


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Which makes "us" no better than "them".


What Spud meant is to just avoid taking prisoners of war. No prisoners taken - no need for Gitmo. Interrogate them in the field and dispose of them there. They were trying to kill us, why should we show mercy? Because we are 'better than them'? Hell no. War is not about who is right. Only who is left.


Exactly. Take no prisoners, just shoot 'em. They do the same to our guys, and worse
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 05:54 PM

View Postthebostinian, on Jan 22 2009, 08:35 PM, said:

Don't forget to hang onto your copy of Webster's English Dictionary, either.


Yeah...once Hussein bans ammo, you'll need a sturdy book to beat the criminals down with
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Posted 22 January 2009 - 07:53 PM

he can't ban guns-only make them hard to afford

even there, he will have a lot of opposition if he goes too far. i bet once this ammo cost increase takes place, there's going to be a lot of people fighting it

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Posted 22 January 2009 - 08:01 PM

View PostSpudCrushr, on Jan 22 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

View Postthebostinian, on Jan 22 2009, 08:35 PM, said:

Don't forget to hang onto your copy of Webster's English Dictionary, either.


Yeah...once Hussein bans ammo, you'll need a sturdy book to beat the criminals down with



He's going to take our ammo!?!!? What will we ever do with ourselves.
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