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2 things do any of you have a ffl and or own a wasr 10 ak 47? Just wondering

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 10:35 AM

My dad has a class 3 ffl and all that jazz but we don't have the password to any suppliers and we can't check a ffl price on a wasr 10 ak-47 high capacity dragunov style stock ak.
So I was wondering if any of you would possibly be able to look into this for me? My local store is selling them for 600+ and they are bottom of the bag ak's because they are stamped like the mp40 of world war 2 and not forged. They're junky but it's a ak. So it dosent matter. Just let me know if you can find anything out. Thank you.
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Posted 01 June 2010 - 11:15 AM

Okay, there's a lot of stuff to go through here, so here goes...

1. WASRs are not junk because they have stamped receivers. Nearly all AK variations are stamped receivers, even up through and including some really nice quality work like the stuff that comes out of Rifle Dynamics or Krebs. Every AK that has left a Russian factory since 1949 has been a stamped receiver (at least, any major production. There may have been a very small run of milled receivers, but I don't think that was the case). The only milled receivers put out by Russia that actually saw Russian military use were built pre-1949.

Today, you can find milled receivers, but they are always from another country (I believe most of the ones you can find these days are Bulgarian or American made, and before someone jumps on me, yes, most semi-automatic AKs in the US have American made receivers for 922r compliance. They use parts kits from ComBloc/ex-CombBloc nations with enough parts for compliance). Stamped receivers are the majority of them all -- including American built receivers.

There never was a "forged" AK receiver.

WASRs are "bottom of the bag" because of how they are assembled - quickly in mass production with little regard for quality control. Take the same parts, ship them to a competent AK gunsmith, and you can have a far nicer rifle that both looks and shoots better than if the same parts were hastily tossed together by Century. That said, now and then you can pick a winner out of Century's pile o' WASRs.

2. $600 is unreasonable for a WASR. Take a look at Classic Arms for a good value. You'll need it shipped to a local FFL for transfer, but that doesn't seem to be a problem for you.


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Posted 01 June 2010 - 12:27 PM

Wow that is a very great site! Thank you so much!
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Posted 01 June 2010 - 12:41 PM

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WASR10. I paid $500 even for mine. And that's after taxes. And THAT's because I have a 100% foreign built, 100% foreign parts, PRE-BAN RomArm WASR10 built entirely in the Cugir factory in Romania and imported by Century Arms. No 922r compliance to sweat, and I can always sell it later for a better price.

And while many of the Century Arms AKs are hit or miss on quality, mine happily knocks bottle caps from soda bottles offhand at 25 yards all day with steel cased Brown Bear. More proof that 922r FRAGed us in the price/quality equation.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 12:54 PM

Yes, you're pre-ban WASR is worth a lot more too. I could justify $500 on one of those (well, if I was in the market for an AK at present).

Though you also got a good price on it too.

922r was essentially an "assault weapons ban" without it being a total ban. The gun control guys of the time wanted a total ban, but couldn't get the votes for a ban on a domestically made product.

Thus, they decided to restrict what could be imported. At the time, nobody in the US made AK parts or magazines, making it a ban of sorts in practice.

And American ingenuity has (with varying degrees of success) worked around it. There's some really nice AKs out there, but they cost a whole lot more because of the American parts/labor aspect to it.

On a side note, if ever I win the lottery, I am going out and scooping up a pre-922r Galil in 7.62 NATO.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 01:09 PM

WASR 10/63 with threaded muzzle and standard stock for $380:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?ite...&groupid=11

If you want the Dragunov stock, I have a spare. It's unfinished, and needs a good sanding and stain, but it will turn out nice. Alternatively, you can just buy this auction:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem....?Item=171915724

I have a WASR 10/63 underfolder. It is extremely accurate for an AK, and very solid and well-made. I recently refitted it with K-Var olive drab polymer furniture which gives it a nice contrast to the rest of the gun's black.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 06:50 PM

Thanks to all of you guys! So far the best feed back on a post yet. And about that Dragunov stock how much would you want for it? Just wondering I may go with the standard stock. The classic arms site has great deals on the plain ole ak. But I don't know haha. Thanks agian. If I get it I'll post some pics of it being broke in and if I do anything to it
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Posted 01 June 2010 - 07:31 PM

Honestly, I'd keep standard AK furniture over the Dragunov Stock.

One. If another AWB takes effect, all AKs will have something like a Dragunov stock.

Two. If you want a "Dragunov" look, check out the ROMAK-3/PSL.

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And finally, I just like the feel of the AK furniture. Nice and compact.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 07:32 PM

AKs are great rifles for overall use.

Since others mentioned theirs, here's mine...

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It's an Arsenal SLR-106. The 106's are actually chambered for 5.56 NATO since, as of the time of purchase, 5.56 was far easier to come by in my immediate area. That, and everyone I knew had an AR-15.


On the subject of stocks,

I'd also rather keep the stock as it is. Maybe get an underfolder or sidefolder if you want folding capability. The Dragunov style stock doesn't really add anything to the rifle, and I just like the feel of the AK as it is.

My favorite stocks are the 100-series folding stocks (like the one above), but those don't come on any WASRs and the cost to refit a WASR for one would not be worthwhile. However, either the standard solid stock or a Romy wire sidefolder would do well with a WASR.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 07:36 PM

Or a K-var side folding triangle stock with the bracket mounted. Adds an inch or two of length unfolded, but from guys I have talked to, they are rock solid, and easy to retrofit.
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Posted 01 June 2010 - 07:42 PM

I'm sure I've asked this before, but that really works?

I was sure the triangle folders mounted like the 100 series stocks and a retrofit wasn't really doable.


EDIT -- Nevermind, I did my own research and found what you're talking about.

http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?prod...=251&page=2

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I can say I am not a fan of that idea, cosmetically speaking anyways. I'm also not so sure about the overall length, if those few inches will throw it off or not.

I suppose it does beat the old wire folders though.

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Posted 01 June 2010 - 08:01 PM

That would be more for the guys who like the NATO LoP as opposed to the Warsaw. I like the Warsaw size more anyway. I'm sure I don't have to tell 'ballers how much tighter a shorter gun handles.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 09:48 AM

I just have a thing for the dragunov stock I saw a svd online for 305 but didn't have the Jack to buy it. The psl's are a bit cheaper but I'd rather get the svd tiger. And
I'm on a budget so a svd is way outa my range.
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Posted 02 June 2010 - 02:34 PM

Grenades, if you want my spare Dragunov stock, let me know. Like I said, it needs finishing, but I'm sure that's not beyond you.

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Posted 02 June 2010 - 03:47 PM

A true SVD is going to be more than that.

A whole lot more.

Honestly, there's nothing wrong with a PSL; if you want it improved a bit get one and send it to Jim over at Rifle Dynamics and he'll make it do anything an SVD can do.

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I just have a thing for the dragunov stock I saw a svd online for 305 but didn't have the Jack to buy it. The psl's are a bit cheaper but I'd rather get the svd tiger. And
I'm on a budget so a svd is way outa my range.

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