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Posted 28 February 2010 - 02:33 PM

View PostWarpaint, on Feb 28 2010, 02:25 PM, said:

Well, if the ball didn't have to break on impact and mark the target, wouldn't it be more like marble-ball, or just plain pain-ball? Only exception I am aware of is bounces off ghillie suits.


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Posted 28 February 2010 - 03:43 PM

i dont like it when people go to gigantic lengths to get bounces... like gigantic shirts and 5 sandanas... thats stupid... but if it bounces it bounces, this isnt airsoft.

I think it goes back to the whole thing were trying to get around the rules is still basically cheating. Rules are there to show the way a game was meant to be played, and it just sucks when people 'bend' them to get a few extra minutes of playtime here and there. If it bounces on me, no biggy, it bounced and its part of the game... same with if i think it broke so i call myself out... its whatever

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 03:59 PM

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View PostCapnStank, on Feb 26 2010, 06:07 PM, said:

I think people lose perspective on the sport (as highlighted in many posts on this forum) and forget to realize that its about recreation, fun and entertainment over progression, fame and other crap like that.



It all depends, I play paintball because I love the sport but, everytime I get out on the field I try to progress. And depending on the tourney, I play to win not for fun. I know that may sound strange, but when you are spending hundreds of dollars a month to prepare for one event, recreation and fun go out the window.

It still nice to have fun, but winning is a little more important.


I still respectfully disagree. The moment where I forget that its a recreational sport and start stressing about outcomes I will sell my equipment and quit. Don't get me wrong, I understand that there are others out there (like you) who feel that there is something to gain or progress in.

As a player I always want to improve but I never want to stress about the game because it is my stress relief where I can get out on weekends and blow off steam. If I lose paintball as that release then I need to find something to take it's place.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 04:12 PM

i think what outlaw is referring to is that in tourney ball, you pay high tourney entry fees ( many times out of your own pocket, unless you have good sponsors ), high fees to use the field paint at these tourneys ( which you have to use ), .... and you play for rankings ( whatever level you are at ) and prizes ... both cash and other prizes, like guns, masks, barrels, etc that you can turn around and sell to make more profit. it helps to cut the cost of these tourneys .... so it becomes quite competitive
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 04:18 PM

View Postklaatu, on Feb 28 2010, 05:12 PM, said:

i think what outlaw is referring to is that in tourney ball, you pay high tourney entry fees ( many times out of your own pocket, unless you have good sponsors ), high fees to use the field paint at these tourneys ( which you have to use ), .... and you play for rankings ( whatever level you are at ) and prizes ... both cash and other prizes, like guns, masks, barrels, etc that you can turn around and sell to make more profit. it helps to cut the cost of these tourneys .... so it becomes quite competitive



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Posted 28 February 2010 - 04:29 PM

Heh I understand ya. I've played in tournies too I know that there's the drive to win but are you playing in the tournament to enjoy the sport or are you playing in the tournament expecting to be famous for it?
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 05:14 PM

This rule is the my only reason for playing paintball instead of airsoft. Many more people play airsoft in my area, but you can't see an airsoft pellet leave a mark from a distance. You can with paintball. It all depends on the circumstances as well. If I'm playing with people that are new or my little brother and his friends, I may call myself out on a bounce so they have a good time. As for when I play with friends of my own age who have the "go for the jugular" mentality, I don't let up. I don't call out when they bounce on me, nor do I let up until they call out or I see paint marks on them.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 06:57 PM

View PostCapnStank, on Feb 28 2010, 06:29 PM, said:

Heh I understand ya. I've played in tournies too I know that there's the drive to win but are you playing in the tournament to enjoy the sport or are you playing in the tournament expecting to be famous for it?

i think some of both .... its like the olympics ... these athletes push themselves waaaay harder than you or i would ever even consider... even as far as limiting social behaviour and diets, not just their chosen field of athletic discipline .... do they enjoy it ? if you see them after they have won, i think you know the answer ... are they driven? obviously.

some people just have different levels of expectations, and enjoyment.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 08:24 PM

View Postcdrinkh20, on Feb 27 2010, 01:44 PM, said:

If people want to keep commenting by all means, but can we please move past the bullet comment? ;) It's not like I've continued supporting the idea, and I admit I can't comment on a true combat situation - but I do not appreciate being called 'some kid'.

Respect all around please :)

Consider the comparison an analogy with the purpose of myself trying to better understand paintball.
While it may annoy some physicist that atoms are made analogous to little coloured balls connected by toothpicks, it's just easier for some people to understand.

I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone!

WHAT?!?! That's horrible! Atoms are nothing like coloured balls connected by toothpicks. That analogy disgusts me! :maybedodgy:

View PostBecc, on Feb 28 2010, 04:43 PM, said:

i dont like it when people go to gigantic lengths to get bounces... like gigantic shirts and 5 sandanas... thats stupid... but if it bounces it bounces, this isnt airsoft.

I think it goes back to the whole thing were trying to get around the rules is still basically cheating. Rules are there to show the way a game was meant to be played, and it just sucks when people 'bend' them to get a few extra minutes of playtime here and there. If it bounces on me, no biggy, it bounced and its part of the game... same with if i think it broke so i call myself out... its whatever

Rules aren't there to tell you how to play, they are there to tell you how not to play. So if it doesn't say I can't do it in the rules chances are I'll try it.

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View PostMehphisto, on Feb 27 2010, 09:48 AM, said:

View Postoutlaw-master, on Feb 27 2010, 01:07 AM, said:

View PostCapnStank, on Feb 26 2010, 06:07 PM, said:

I think people lose perspective on the sport (as highlighted in many posts on this forum) and forget to realize that its about recreation, fun and entertainment over progression, fame and other crap like that.



It all depends, I play paintball because I love the sport but, everytime I get out on the field I try to progress. And depending on the tourney, I play to win not for fun. I know that may sound strange, but when you are spending hundreds of dollars a month to prepare for one event, recreation and fun go out the window.

It still nice to have fun, but winning is a little more important.


I still respectfully disagree. The moment where I forget that its a recreational sport and start stressing about outcomes I will sell my equipment and quit. Don't get me wrong, I understand that there are others out there (like you) who feel that there is something to gain or progress in.

As a player I always want to improve but I never want to stress about the game because it is my stress relief where I can get out on weekends and blow off steam. If I lose paintball as that release then I need to find something to take it's place.

My mentality always has been if you owe anybody but yourself anything then...
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I kind of agree with you on this one. If I was going out for a day to just play for fun then I don't care about the teams or who wins. But if I am going to get ready for a tournament or play for competetion then I care a lot about who wins. Playing is a lot of fun even if I lose, but victory is always so much sweeter.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 08:30 PM

If you don't like the rule then maybe airsoft is for you. Those balls never break
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 10:43 PM

View Postcdrinkh20, on Feb 27 2010, 01:44 PM, said:

If people want to keep commenting by all means, but can we please move past the bullet comment?

Consider the comparison an analogy with the purpose of myself trying to better understand paintball.
While it may annoy some physicist that atoms are made analogous to little coloured balls connected by toothpicks, it's just easier for some people to understand.


I think the point many were trying to make is that a bullet analogy simply does not work. Colored balls to atom? Works because it represents a concept. It models an understanding of the subject. But paintballs and bullets? They are NOT analogous.

I appreciate where you are coming from. I do. 'Cause sometimes we DO get caught up in the glorification of combat and pretend our little "wars" are realish. It is fun. I mean....c'mon.....we're on SPECIAL OPS. The whole basis for this forum began with this notion!

But the fantasy notwithstanding, the underlying principle is that we are all GAMERS playing an intense GAME. Thus, we must align ourselves with the standards and rules of the GAME. Thus the assertion and analogy of bullets is completely anathema to the basic principles of the game. Can you use a tennis racket as an analogy for a baseball bat? I don't think so. You hold it differently, you swing it differently, the results are different, etc. Apples and oranges.

It is not that we are offended by the comparison. It is that we are simply not able to accept the basis of the comparison. They are as alike as men and women. Seemingly related, but WORLDS APART.

I don't think you can understand the rules of paintball by applying the rules of combat. This is my point.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 09:35 AM

View PostI.K.E., on Feb 28 2010, 10:43 PM, said:

View Postcdrinkh20, on Feb 27 2010, 01:44 PM, said:

If people want to keep commenting by all means, but can we please move past the bullet comment?

Consider the comparison an analogy with the purpose of myself trying to better understand paintball.
While it may annoy some physicist that atoms are made analogous to little coloured balls connected by toothpicks, it's just easier for some people to understand.


I think the point many were trying to make is that a bullet analogy simply does not work. Colored balls to atom? Works because it represents a concept. It models an understanding of the subject. But paintballs and bullets? They are NOT analogous.

I appreciate where you are coming from. I do. 'Cause sometimes we DO get caught up in the glorification of combat and pretend our little "wars" are realish. It is fun. I mean....c'mon.....we're on SPECIAL OPS. The whole basis for this forum began with this notion!

But the fantasy notwithstanding, the underlying principle is that we are all GAMERS playing an intense GAME. Thus, we must align ourselves with the standards and rules of the GAME. Thus the assertion and analogy of bullets is completely anathema to the basic principles of the game. Can you use a tennis racket as an analogy for a baseball bat? I don't think so. You hold it differently, you swing it differently, the results are different, etc. Apples and oranges.

It is not that we are offended by the comparison. It is that we are simply not able to accept the basis of the comparison. They are as alike as men and women. Seemingly related, but WORLDS APART.

I don't think you can understand the rules of paintball by applying the rules of combat. This is my point.


Haha thank you for a thoughtful reply :P and yes, I am aware it wasn't a real analogy but I was hoping most people wouldn't catch that :)

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 11:05 AM

View Postklaatu, on Feb 28 2010, 07:57 PM, said:

View PostCapnStank, on Feb 28 2010, 06:29 PM, said:

Heh I understand ya. I've played in tournies too I know that there's the drive to win but are you playing in the tournament to enjoy the sport or are you playing in the tournament expecting to be famous for it?

i think some of both .... its like the olympics ... these athletes push themselves waaaay harder than you or i would ever even consider... even as far as limiting social behaviour and diets, not just their chosen field of athletic discipline .... do they enjoy it ? if you see them after they have won, i think you know the answer ... are they driven? obviously.

some people just have different levels of expectations, and enjoyment.

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Posted 05 March 2010 - 03:21 PM

You call yourself out for a bounce? Its paintball man, just b/c you're getting shot by a "gun" doesn't mean you have to treat the paintballs like bullets.

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 08:36 PM

At the field I play at they have a paint break & mark rule. Gun hits don't count, although it depends on the field. Point blanks are frowned against (you can call point blank, and it eliminates the other player). If it's in a bunker you can either hit the bunker and yell "bunker", eliminating all players in the "room".

Bounces don't count in any of the games that I have played (outlaw or scenario), and if I am hit, I do a paint check.

The SO Fusion X Jersey seems to let paint pass through the jersey and on the undershirt. Therefore making paint checks much harder. I had that problem this past weekend. I was hit in the side, checked for paint, found none, and kept playing, thinking it was a bounce. When I changed at the end of our games, I noticed paint all over my undershirt. Oh well, it happens.

On a side note, all my "hits" were mask shots!
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