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#1 User is offline   Dark Shadow Hunter 

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 01:13 PM

One thing I have noticed over the years is that refs get a lot of grief at local tournaments. The teams that really hammer on the refs are the ones that place 3rd or below. They state the reffs make all kinds of bad calls and that is why they did so horribly at the tournament. It doesn't matter which field they go to either. The story is always the same "The reffs were cheating for the other team," or "The reffs had no clue what they were doing."

If your team is one of those that never seems to be able to place above 4th place at a tournament "because of bad calls" I urge you to take a look at your team instead. Do you work well together as a team? How well do you communicate on and off the field? What do you do for team practice? Do you run drills at all or do you just play a few games and call it practice?

I am not saying that every team that blames the reffs need work. However in my area, the bulk of teams blaming the reffs need a lot of work.

Now there is another end for the spectrum. If you are a top notch team in your area and suddenly you find yourself in the bottom half of a tournament, there may be an issue with the reffs. Of course teams that know their stuff will know the differance between an off day and bad reffs.

If you honestly believe the reffs are at fault, talk to the field owner or event host. Do not wait until a week after the tournament and complain about the reffs on an online forum or field review. Talk to the owner or host that day before the end of the tournament. Field owners and event producers will take the questions seriously and look into them. Afterall local events are put on for the enjoyment of the players.

Bottom line: Please do not take the easy way out and blame the reffs. Look at all the factors involved with a local tournament. You may very well be surprised with what you find.
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 01:16 PM

Ref. calls are a part of the game...good...bad...fair...
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 01:18 PM

most calls that the refs make are good calls, it's just some people don't want to admit they can't win. I've never seen a cheating ref, i've seen one bad call and it was against our opponents. The ref promptly appologized and fixed it.

But that's true, if you think it was the ref's tell them, niceley and immediatley. They have no problem talling you why and what happened and listening to your points. As long as you do it in a calm and respecful manner. In fact, I encourage people to ask me "why?" it helps them learn the game.

Good post. Any experience that made you post this? Like did you see a team do it.

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 01:26 PM

View PostTu_Padre, on Apr 15 2008, 04:18 PM, said:

Good post. Any experience that made you post this? Like did you see a team do it.



Simple, the local tournament season is beginning in Michigan. I know there will be some carry over from last season, as always happens from year to year. At the end of last season a few teams were blaming the reffs for how they placed in the tournaments. It happens every year and I am just plain tired of teams blaming reffs for no real reason.
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 01:28 PM

View PostDark Shadow Hunter, on Apr 15 2008, 02:13 PM, said:

One thing I have noticed over the years is that refs get a lot of grief at local tournaments. The teams that really hammer on the refs are the ones that place 3rd or below. They state the reffs make all kinds of bad calls and that is why they did so horribly at the tournament. It doesn't matter which field they go to either. The story is always the same "The reffs were cheating for the other team," or "The reffs had no clue what they were doing."

If your team is one of those that never seems to be able to place above 4th place at a tournament "because of bad calls" I urge you to take a look at your team instead. Do you work well together as a team? How well do you communicate on and off the field? What do you do for team practice? Do you run drills at all or do you just play a few games and call it practice?

I am not saying that every team that blames the reffs need work. However in my area, the bulk of teams blaming the reffs need a lot of work.

Now there is another end for the spectrum. If you are a top notch team in your area and suddenly you find yourself in the bottom half of a tournament, there may be an issue with the reffs. Of course teams that know their stuff will know the differance between an off day and bad reffs.

If you honestly believe the reffs are at fault, talk to the field owner or event host. Do not wait until a week after the tournament and complain about the reffs on an online forum or field review. Talk to the owner or host that day before the end of the tournament. Field owners and event producers will take the questions seriously and look into them. Afterall local events are put on for the enjoyment of the players.

Bottom line: Please do not take the easy way out and blame the reffs. Look at all the factors involved with a local tournament. You may very well be surprised with what you find.

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 02:31 PM

You're right when say people can't admit they can't win. Just take a look at practiaclly anyones brigade page. The kill to death ratios for example, how come no one ever gets hit? Most people always have a somewhat large gap between kills and deaths, kills being the greater number. It's pride...
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 04:59 PM

Yea, that seems to run pretty common in most sports. SOmetimes it's a legitimate complaint, but most of teh time it's just whining.
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 06:46 PM

BTW Shadow, are you going to the Lord of the Rings game this weekend by any chance in Cadillac? I'm pretty sure Hole in the Wall sponsors or has vendors there. I'm not sure that might've been the T.C. games though.
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 07:01 PM

I never had any problems with the refs at my field in all the tournaments we have joined.
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 07:44 PM

View PostTy29, on Apr 15 2008, 09:46 PM, said:

BTW Shadow, are you going to the Lord of the Rings game this weekend by any chance in Cadillac? I'm pretty sure Hole in the Wall sponsors or has vendors there. I'm not sure that might've been the T.C. games though.
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Nope I am not attentding the LOTR game this weekend. My money is going towards Judge Dredd next month at Sherwood Forest in LaPorte, IN.

I send you a PM about the rest of the stuff.
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 08:47 PM

My friends and I play without refs (outlaw) and really, If a ref calls me out, I'll trust him. If its that bad of a call, someone other than me will surely notice. And really, in the wnd who cares what place you got? I play paintball for the sake of playing paintball, not so I can say "I got 1st!"
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Posted 16 April 2008 - 01:36 PM

Kook, there is a huge differance between outlaw and local tournaments. Even in the local tournaments there is usually a prize on the line for at least first place. With outlaw, usually it is just bragging rights on the line.
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Posted 16 April 2008 - 08:34 PM

View PostDark Shadow Hunter, on Apr 15 2008, 04:13 PM, said:

One thing I have noticed over the years is that refs get a lot of grief at local tournaments. The teams that really hammer on the refs are the ones that place 3rd or below. They state the reffs make all kinds of bad calls and that is why they did so horribly at the tournament. It doesn't matter which field they go to either. The story is always the same "The reffs were cheating for the other team," or "The reffs had no clue what they were doing."

If your team is one of those that never seems to be able to place above 4th place at a tournament "because of bad calls" I urge you to take a look at your team instead. Do you work well together as a team? How well do you communicate on and off the field? What do you do for team practice? Do you run drills at all or do you just play a few games and call it practice?

I am not saying that every team that blames the reffs need work. However in my area, the bulk of teams blaming the reffs need a lot of work.

Now there is another end for the spectrum. If you are a top notch team in your area and suddenly you find yourself in the bottom half of a tournament, there may be an issue with the reffs. Of course teams that know their stuff will know the differance between an off day and bad reffs.

If you honestly believe the reffs are at fault, talk to the field owner or event host. Do not wait until a week after the tournament and complain about the reffs on an online forum or field review. Talk to the owner or host that day before the end of the tournament. Field owners and event producers will take the questions seriously and look into them. Afterall local events are put on for the enjoyment of the players.

Bottom line: Please do not take the easy way out and blame the reffs. Look at all the factors involved with a local tournament. You may very well be surprised with what you find.


agreed. especialy at scenarios. theres hundereds of players and only so many refs. they (usualy) are doing the best they can. they might miss a wipe or too, but these things happen. i dont think that people should cry over it. let them ref a scenario and see how it is.
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Posted 17 April 2008 - 11:29 AM

I say they should spend a month reffing at their field. Those that complain should have to ref a tournament, a scenario, and a few private groups. It will make them appreciate the hard work we reffs do a lot more.
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