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#1 User is offline   MillardFlemming 

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Posted 20 June 2007 - 09:55 PM

Ok, for those of you that don't understand, read ^!)'s signature. Here Goes.

Smart Parts was completely legally entitled to file a patent lawsuit and a cease and desist over an electrically triggered paintball marker. The original 4x4 Shocker design was legally used by Smart Parts from the company Pneuventures in 1995-1997, and featured a dual pneumatic solenoid firing mechanism. Smart Parts then obtained the rights to the design and independently manufactured them. The original patent for a pneumatic solenoid was issued in 1990 to Beta Manufacturing Company, but Pneuventures was the first company though to incorporate the valve in a paintball marker application. The design was originally made for Smart Parts exclusively. After obtaining the rights to the design in 1997, Smart Parts recognized the value of this and filed for a patent for the right to exclusively manufacture solenoid fired paintball markers. After seeing the success of the Shocker, other new companies started mimicking the design in their own markers, either as a complete marker system, or as a modification for an existing marker. The purpose of a patent is to protect inventors’ right to exclusively manufacture their inventions, and is a constitutional right. It gives incentive to people to innovate and create new ways of doing things. Without patents, a possible inventor would have no motivation of creating new products, since already established companies would benefit more than the inventor. With that said, Smart Parts had a new, better way of doing something –firing a paintball marker- , and patented it to obtain their constitutional rights and protect their products from competitors for the prescribed 20 years. Problems arose though, when other companies used Smart Parts’ patented technology without consulting Smart Parts. In response to these companies, and the profit they were losing as a result, Smart Parts filed a patent lawsuit, and a cease and desist against other companies from building solenoid fired, or electropneumatic markers. Some fledgling companies, which had based all of their designs on the solenoid, and had limited resources, were effectively killed by this. Other companies survived, but were hurt. In many peoples’ eyes, Smart Parts shouldn’t have sued, since it was being greedy. However, Smart Parts was completely entitled to protect the rights that their patent granted them. Even if the patent hadn’t covered the other companies’ designs, Smart Parts had the right to see if a judge would agree with Smart Parts. While it is unfortunate that some smaller companies were eliminated, that’s the way that a free market operates. Just look at Walmart, killing all the poor local grocers.

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Posted 20 June 2007 - 09:59 PM

Apparently not my fight...

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Posted 20 June 2007 - 10:00 PM

Dude, you jacked my debate topic!
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Posted 20 June 2007 - 10:06 PM

I'll save this spot for when i type up my little thing... i think i'll do it tommorrow.
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Posted 20 June 2007 - 10:08 PM

Oh Great, another Smart Parts bashing Thread...when will you guys quit and move on wit yourselves and having a Debate about Smart Parts jus Opens Old Wounds.
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Posted 20 June 2007 - 10:09 PM

What they did is neither legal nor illegal, it's gray area, at best.

And it's unethical. Who cares if it's legal, there's plenty of legal unethical things to do.

And they didn't invent what they own patents on, other companies made electronic prototypes well before Smart Parts. Plenty of companies invented things for paintball and didnt patent them. Smart Parts didn't invent what they own their patent on...

Make sense? It shouldn't.

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Posted 20 June 2007 - 10:18 PM

Maybe I should clarify some things....



I recently put in my signature that I'd be willing to debate people on a subject of their choice, and if they won the debate, they could choose an item of their choice from my B/S/T thread, and I would give them that item for free. This is one of those debates.
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Posted 20 June 2007 - 10:47 PM

what is in your bst thread? I have not seen it.
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Posted 20 June 2007 - 11:29 PM

check my signature.
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Posted 20 June 2007 - 11:38 PM

how do you decide who wins?
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Posted 21 June 2007 - 01:31 AM

View Postaqua_scummm, on Jun 20 2007, 11:38 PM, said:

how do you decide who wins?

idk appoint a judge?
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Posted 21 June 2007 - 02:30 AM

I was about to say "do it like real debates, and let the audience VOTE on who won the debate"

But knowing this forum, about 40 of us will actureally READ the debate, about 10 will change their minds from their original opinion, and only 25 of the 40 will vote. The rest of the 300 votes will be made up by people who love/hate smartparts and have not read the thread at all. Nothing but haters, and fanboys.

But otherwise, appointing a judge sounds good! In fact, appointing NINE judges seems most adequate. Each person can choose 4 people who will judge, and the last will be decided on randomly. Of course, you guys are expected to pick people who are well known and have a reputation of correctly participating in discussions. Not just friends. Perhaps you can use a "dispute" system, where one person can dispute the objectiveness of one of the other person's judges, and that person will not judge. Of course you can only do this twice.

But yea, since there is REAL money on the line, what do you two think? fair?
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Posted 21 June 2007 - 07:12 AM

Maybe we can debate about who won!
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Posted 21 June 2007 - 07:12 AM

in a debate you can tell who loses and who win. I don't think judges are needed.
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Posted 21 June 2007 - 10:56 AM

Yes, but if you do that, one side may not admit defeat even if they have lost. You need somebody to come and say: "You lost, he won." At that point the debate is over. No questions asked. So, you should appoint someone as a final person to say who won. His decision would be final.

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