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#1 User is offline   Schloob 

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 06:05 PM

In the past, a lot of you have suggested that your "ideas and comments" often times go unheard by the SPPL. So, I would like this section to be an area where guys can make suggestions and comments on the changes that are currently being made.

I would also like you to know how much I appreciate all the comments and suggestions that have been made in the past. Most of the changes this year started with a conversation or request I had with players like yourself or where suggested on and in emails.

So keep up the great work and let me know what you think about the changes thus far and share your thoughts and ideas for the future.
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Posted 02 March 2008 - 05:37 PM

I know that you have listened to my ideas and thoughts, and that you can't use everything that is suggested, it just isn't possible, so I want to remind everyone that if it doesn't happen, it isn't because you weren't listened to.
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Posted 26 June 2008 - 10:32 PM

I actually have a question...I know, there are always "sections" for questions and somewhere on the forum this has probably been asked, but....I'm into my 2nd season of woodsball and absolutely loving it. I would very much like to get a team together to make it to one of the qualifiers, but that seems a long ways off for now. The question is, where do I go, who could I talk to about "flying solo" to a qualifier if I could jump on another team or a team of Rebels...well, that's what we called them at football camp, the ones without an entire team. I am very anxious to get to a real field, real scenario game. I was reading up on the SPPL about getting to a game without a team and didn't see anything there. After reading that I thought it would be a great opportunity and even better experience, when prepping my own team for a qualifier. At best, just for kicks.

Sorry about the novel. If any of you have any ideas, please let me know. And if I missed the appropriate section of the forum, well then give me some direction and I can bug them! hahaha, the qualifiers I'm closest to are Oregon and Utah...Thanks again.


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Post icon  Posted 27 June 2008 - 05:30 AM

Almost every SPPL event has at least one team that is looking for players. There is a section here that is 'Teams Looking for Players'. If you have not hit an event by the Utah 2009, drop us a line and we might have a spot for you. The SPPL is a great league and you won't find better sports.
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 02:00 PM

Ammo limits. That's my suggestion. Limit the amount of ammo a team can bring onto a field. This is scenario ball. A rifleman carries 200 rounds, a heavy rifleman carries 500...that's real life, let's mimic it and make SPPL more about tactics than volume. I realize that idea won't make Spec Ops happy, you'd lose too much money by not being able to sell heaps of paint, but it would add more integrity to the idea of the word "Scenario" being in your name.

That would also free up some equipment to be a feasible option. There wouldn't need to be hopper/marker combo restriction. Let them shoot 30bps, that just means they're done in 7 seconds.

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Posted 30 June 2008 - 03:54 PM

How about empowering the local refs to penalize when a rule has been violated? watching from the sidelines myself and a teammate saw a player (wont say who or what team) get hit in the hand and blatantly play on, until we discreetly told the ref to check him, he was called out, but no play on penalty. We as a community have to keep this from happening to keep the integrity of the league. also my .02
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 06:25 PM

Ammo limits...hum. I like that one but would it work? The league has to see profit at some point for itself and the sponsors or it would end. I do believe that ammo limits would make it more like true 'scenario' paintball, only if it would work... :laugh:
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Posted 30 June 2008 - 06:53 PM

View Postpdxp8ntballer, on Jun 30 2008, 03:54 PM, said:

How about empowering the local refs to penalize when a rule has been violated? watching from the sidelines myself and a teammate saw a player (wont say who or what team) get hit in the hand and blatantly play on, until we discreetly told the ref to check him, he was called out, but no play on penalty. We as a community have to keep this from happening to keep the integrity of the league. also my .02



Local refs are required to report this to their head refs so that a playing on penalty can be assesed. These types of calls were made during the tournament in Oregon. This example sounds like a missed call that needed to be checked out.

PDX what field did this happen on? Talking to the Head Refs on that particular field will at least lead to an investigation of the call and give the best chance for correction or assesment of penalties.

Not every call will be made correctly, that is the nature of sports. But we aim to get 100% of them right and I personally scrutinized and double checked the big point penalties/situations that could really affect game outcomes.

Your imput will help us get even better in our referee preparation and training.

I have played in this league for three out of four years. I'm not saying the officiating is perfect, but it is probably better than it has ever been. I say that from a player perspective who has been on both sides of good/bad calls.

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 11:52 AM

View PostJames, on Jun 27 2008, 06:30 AM, said:

Almost every SPPL event has at least one team that is looking for players. There is a section here that is 'Teams Looking for Players'. If you have not hit an event by the Utah 2009, drop us a line and we might have a spot for you. The SPPL is a great league and you won't find better sports.


James, thanks for the info and don't be suprised if I give you a shout next season. Thanks again.
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Posted 01 July 2008 - 01:14 PM

"T" has it right.

Yes, Having more "experienced" refs on the field will solve lot of the problems we saw in the Oregon qualifier. Some of the young kids that were ref'ing were doing a great job (Some were not), but many of them just lacked the experience and/or maturity to make authoritative decisions or courage to enforce those decisions. This places a higher burden on the head ref or the few experienced officials because they can not be everywhere at once, nor can they, or should they, have to make every decision.

Yes, there were some calls that were missed or made incorrectly. Personally, I did not see anyone wiping or blatantly playing on, but I did see other instances where calls were missed. However, I also listened in on several discussions when players were arguing with a ref about a call or a non call and the player was flat out wrong or out of line. This distracts the head ref, prevents him from being on the field doing his job and takes away from the game. In most every case the Player was wrong... several of us spectators saw him do what he was accused of doing but the player refused to acknowledge his mistake and continued on with his rant about the horrible call. But in all the incidences I saw it did not directly effect the outcome of the game. (I am not trying to make excuses or rationalize for the ref's... they did and always will make mistakes... it's human nature) Remeber, as soon as we players play a PERFECT game then, and only then, can we expect the refs to call a perfect game. We all make mistakes. As a good team we should be able to overcome and adapt, as good sports we should understand we are all human and move on.

I know the struggle they were having getting enough ref's for this event. This was the largest event to date this season and there were a lot of games being played on large, fairly dense fields with very little to no breaks for the refs. Inexperience, fatigue, stress... all lead to an increased chance of mistakes (Including equipment failure, chrono batteries dying... etc.).

My suggestion to all of us players... get out and learn how to referee. Ref at your local field or get to a SPPL event and help out if your not playing. If you have to walk along with an experienced ref for a game or two to learn the rules and good technique it will only help you in the long run. This will create a larger pool of experienced referees to draw from. It will also make you a better player. You learn and see things as a referee that you don't get to see as a player. And you see things form a different perspective. It never hurts to not only know the rules but to know how, when, where and WHY they apply.

For the most part, players play clean and the refs do a great job, but I KNOW that Jayson and crew are always looking for ways to improve this game. I have personally heard several very good ideas and discussions on how to improve the ref'ing and, thus, the quality of the games. I am confident we will see more improvements in the seasons to come. Look at how many improvements were made from last year to this year. So keep the positive ideas coming and remember that CONSTRUCTIVE criticism (Solutions... not just problems) is helpful. TINKLEin' and moanin' wont solve or change anything. But, as was mentioned above, we as players must also do our part to police ourselves. I would hate to see this league devolve into a league where we have to rely on the refs to ensure fair play, honesty and integrity. That is not what the SPPL is about
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Posted 01 July 2008 - 05:29 PM

when you put it out there like that I couldnt agree more with what you said right there. Noone is perfect player or ref and everyone in the SPPL community needs to step it up and work together to make it a great league that will continue to thrive and flourish in the coming years. the league is still in its infancy so to speak and now is the time to do it right from the beginning.
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Posted 01 July 2008 - 05:29 PM

I played a a qualifier for the '08 season. The main thing that happened that had my whole team a little ill was on our first game, our base ref called 4 of our players out as soon as the horn blew for being across the line. I was one of them. I know for a fact I was not over the line because I made sure that my foot was on the line when I got in the box and didn't move until the horn. We later found out that the base ref that made the call was actually part of the team we were playing against. He just wasn't playing in this game. He himself messed up and told us that he was part of that team later on that day. I guess he didn't remember making the call that morning. We confronted the head ref and others about this and all they told us was, "I doubt any of the refs would make a biased call like that." I call BS on that one. All in all, it was a bad call and nothing was done about it. This among other things that happened that weekend have turned me against the SPPL.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 06:24 AM

View Postpdxp8ntballer, on Jun 30 2008, 04:54 PM, said:

How about empowering the local refs to penalize when a rule has been violated? watching from the sidelines myself and a teammate saw a player (wont say who or what team) get hit in the hand and blatantly play on, until we discreetly told the ref to check him, he was called out, but no play on penalty. We as a community have to keep this from happening to keep the integrity of the league. also my .02


The refs can make those calls but unless the ref see's it himself we can't kick someone out because someone on the sideline saw it. Better reffing is the answer and we are always working on that. Unfortunately, even the best refs will miss calls too.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 07:22 AM

that makes total and complete sense
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 03:27 PM

Im curious, did anyone have a problem with the pink paint fill staining some stuff? I find i am NOT able to remove it from my jersey or socks......and the boxes all said orange fill btu the paint fill is actually PINK.............. :wacko:
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