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Posted 11 July 2008 - 12:11 AM

I'm new to paint ball and don't know much about all the guns. I've been researching all sorts of guns for a few hours now, but there's just too many possibilities. I do know that the dagger position is the one for me, so I need something light I guess. I'd really appreciate your opinion.
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Posted 11 July 2008 - 12:39 AM

Automags look pretty light and I know Autocockers are.

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 01:24 AM

Go go Ego!

absolutely the best if you have a pocket full of cash =3

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okies, if you're looking at Lowends, I'd say:

Ions
SLGs
PMRs
A-5s
98s
X-7s
BT-4s
Automags
and thats all I'd just about take

EDITTED: ooh ooh, and the new SP-1 and Vibe as well

Highends, although you can find them at cheap prices depending on what year make and models:

Egos, aim for eteks and 05 for cheapests results
DMs, the same, 06 and below
PMs, just about alot of PMs years 07 and below are cheap
Shockers, sell left and right dirt cheap on pbnation
DP, fusions
Mini, although is about as cheap as low ends anyway, bnib
Timmies, open bolt models

hmm, thats about all I can recall atm

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 01:26 AM

It sounds to me like you haven't played much before so I'll work off of that assumption. First off, I would wait on buying a marker until you've played a few times. Go to your local field and rent gear a couple times and, while you're there, talk to people. Tell them you're new to the sport and looking to buy your own gear and most players will be happy to let you try the gear they have or at least teach you the pros and cons of it. For your first marker, I wouldn't spend over $100 for the marker itself and I strongly recommend buying used. If you truly get into the sport, you'll be upgrading within 1-2 years so there's no reason to spend the cash on a new marker.

As far as positions are concerned, there really isn't a whole lot of difference in the markers (with a few exceptions that won't apply to you at this point). Most likely, for your first marker, you'll be looking at either a Tippmann A-5, a Spyder or a Spyder clone. They're relatively cheap, fairly durable, won't shoot the greatest but you'll learn from that what it is that you want in a marker to keep for awhile.

Especially for the first time around, I wouldn't be too concerned with looks. Stocks and sights and tac lights look cool but don't generally help you much. For your first marker, the only upgrades you should concern yourself with are a spring kit ($10-15) and, in the case of anything other than an A-5/X7, a decent loader. The spring kit will help a lot with issues in chronoing your marker and is very worth the money. The loader is a worthy upgrade since, when you step up to your next marker, the loader will be usable with the new marker and should be fine. On that same note, if you can afford the $50-100 for it, I would skip buying a CO2 tank and just buy a used HPA tank to begin with. Again, this upgrade will carry over to your next marker, preventing you from having to fork out a ton of money all at once when you move on.

The best advice I can give you is, ask around. Many of us made the mistake of playing once, buying a "cool gun" and then finding out that it was absolutely not what we wanted. And as part of that process, many of us wasted money upgrading that marker when it could've been better used towards getting a marker that would truly fit us.

Hit the field, try various setups and welcome to paintball :blush:
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Posted 11 July 2008 - 02:31 AM

View PostThirdI, on Jul 11 2008, 01:26 AM, said:

It sounds to me like you haven't played much before so I'll work off of that assumption. First off, I would wait on buying a marker until you've played a few times. Go to your local field and rent gear a couple times and, while you're there, talk to people. Tell them you're new to the sport and looking to buy your own gear and most players will be happy to let you try the gear they have or at least teach you the pros and cons of it. For your first marker, I wouldn't spend over $100 for the marker itself and I strongly recommend buying used. If you truly get into the sport, you'll be upgrading within 1-2 years so there's no reason to spend the cash on a new marker.

As far as positions are concerned, there really isn't a whole lot of difference in the markers (with a few exceptions that won't apply to you at this point). Most likely, for your first marker, you'll be looking at either a Tippmann A-5, a Spyder or a Spyder clone. They're relatively cheap, fairly durable, won't shoot the greatest but you'll learn from that what it is that you want in a marker to keep for awhile.

Especially for the first time around, I wouldn't be too concerned with looks. Stocks and sights and tac lights look cool but don't generally help you much. For your first marker, the only upgrades you should concern yourself with are a spring kit ($10-15) and, in the case of anything other than an A-5/X7, a decent loader. The spring kit will help a lot with issues in chronoing your marker and is very worth the money. The loader is a worthy upgrade since, when you step up to your next marker, the loader will be usable with the new marker and should be fine. On that same note, if you can afford the $50-100 for it, I would skip buying a CO2 tank and just buy a used HPA tank to begin with. Again, this upgrade will carry over to your next marker, preventing you from having to fork out a ton of money all at once when you move on.

The best advice I can give you is, ask around. Many of us made the mistake of playing once, buying a "cool gun" and then finding out that it was absolutely not what we wanted. And as part of that process, many of us wasted money upgrading that marker when it could've been better used towards getting a marker that would truly fit us.

Hit the field, try various setups and welcome to paintball :blush:


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I, Dizzy, referring to myself in this thread only as "Diz teh Newblet" ebil meh
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with a Tippmann

Once upon a time, Diz teh Newblet, was attending a church group outing to a paintball field, he was borrowing what was known as a VL marker of some kind, it possessed a very sheen, polished camo coating upon it, had a matching barrel (stock mind you) and a regular all black gravity fed hopper, by the gawds, the small 9oz co2 tank was feeling ever so cold against his arms, he decided to wear his bdu top to hinder the chill. It wasn't his however and was be lended from one of the other members. His experience wasn't the best as he made mistakes as far as how to properly hold and carry a co2 operated paintball marker, and soon realized a mistake that can ruin ones day later on. Over time, when the marker was being held faced down, the co2 converted back from air, to liquid form, and later, corroded the living hell out of the inside of that marker. However, what he saw that day, made Diz want to push forward into the sport, as he watched a speedball like player, move fast, and eliminated opposing players with very minimally uped Tippmann A-5.
Diz wanted it...NAO, he wickedly murmured under his breath.
He promptly got a job, saved the necessary funds to purchase one from...>.>...
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ACADEMY, SPORTS AND OUTDOORS
Around that time, his marine friend named Reynol, got ahold of a used Tippmann 98 Custom...
Together, they engaged the enemies on teh field, and soon became well known for their daring acts, not as well known as players running around with Ions and such, but their markers eventually became working models of arts, attaching many kinds of modification to make it look like an actual real firearm (BIGGEST MISTAKE...EVA)
their popularity drove them deeper into the sport, being convinced that they'd one day go to D-day, and join the Airborne.
eventually, Diz the Newblets stock A-5 bacame this.
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and then...THIS!
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well, he soon found myself at a huge disadvantage when he joined a rock band, which later coverted into a d3 team in teh future, where one player had a Eclipse cocker that'll forever change young Diz teh Newblets life.
All the mods on his A-5 made it cumbersome, and slowed him down, heavily. He later ditched all the useless mods, and coverted his a-5 into this
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changing my perspective, significantly.
A year later, my friend lent me his brand new 05 Ego, and forever altered his life.
Never really considered upgrading internals, barrels, and hopper for the A-5 as he did fine without em

Diz teh Newblet initially died right there and then as he picked up pace and the reality of paintball.

Teh End.
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Posted 11 July 2008 - 11:03 AM

However, the nublet that was MSS had a 98C kept upgrades to a minimum. Had a 14 inch J&J, and a cheap 6 buck red dot. He kept the hopper and stuff stock and upgraded to an X-chamber and a custom made stock. That was his get-up. Learning to play from expierenced players hanging around them as if he was a small lil child (but without all the annoying questions :) ) and learning from their field exploits of example.

Soon one of his experienced players got an Autococker. Seeing him play, MSS got his Tac Tril that christmas and still kept the mods to a minimum.

The following year he used his Cocker, like a Phoenix he was born again. Not by all the mods and the mil-simmy look of his marker but by learning how to play at the hands of expierenced players and using ideas from military field manuals.

MSS plays well now. 3 years under his belt he is nolonger a noobkin. He needs more to help his team. He does his homework. He now has an A5 RT. He is upgrading it, yes he will have riflish mods but his experience calls to him and says. Function FIRST, be cool by playing well. He obeys. He has a plan and he knows it will work :)

AK X-Chamber
Cyclone upgrades
remove stock vertical grip
barrel adapter
mod to fit an AK-47 front grip
X7 Hopper
AK Front Sight
reuse an old barrel

Done No flashlights, no new barrel for a new marker, a comfortable grip, A sight for quick in general aiming, X-chamber for function, same for cyclone upgrades, a free X7 hopper, and the ability to use a familiar barrel.

No stock, because his experience has said that he personally plays better without one.

Tactical vs Tacticool

Tactical is the ability to create a "Loadout" with light weight in mind as well as keeping in mind what he will use on the battlefield.

Paintball application? Don't stick a flashlight on your marker if you know you are going to only play day games. :) Don't use this or that if you feel you play better without it. Buy this marker instead of that one if you know you use this marker better than that one. The list goes on.

Tacticool is the attitude that if you stick all this stuff on your marker it will make it look cool. Yes it will to an extent. But will you enjoy lugging that thing around? Will it wear you out just to operate it?

Don't fall into the tacticool trap. Modify your marker intelligently. Tacticool is like packing a thick heavy trauma plate into a paintball game. You just don't need some of that stuff the same way you don't need a trauma plate in a paintball game. :)

I hope this helps. :)

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 08:29 PM

Autocockers arent the lightest thing, but they are awesome markers. Not sure if they are for the first time player since they require quite a bit of matenience, kepping them timed, oiled up, etc. I would reccomend a Proto Rail, or a 05/06 Ego. You cant go wrong with a pump either
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Posted 12 July 2008 - 10:34 PM

Automags make a great marker for a position up front, you can make them very compact.
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Posted 13 July 2008 - 03:14 PM

Pumps are great fun and tend to create a more aggressive player, least it seems that way in my experience. Good pumps would be from CCI or WGP Snipers which you can either build yourself or buy from someone else.
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Posted 13 July 2008 - 08:48 PM

Smart Parts Vibe.
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Posted 13 July 2008 - 08:56 PM

Smart parts vibe, automag, PMR, promaster, DM4, SLG, Diablo Wrath, DP Fusion 7....
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Posted 15 July 2008 - 05:15 PM

View Postpaulpker121, on Jul 13 2008, 11:48 PM, said:

Smart Parts Vibe.

They are good starting guns yes, but they like to crack the ASA's after a bit of use.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:48 PM

I use an Ion with a CP barrel. It works really well. Its fast and compact and light. the downside is that it only runs on HPA. The good thing is that it only costs 165 bucks, and it takes very few upgrades to make it an excellent gun. Here my rig

-Ion Marker
-CP Barrel 12-14" i think
-3000 PSI 48 cui HPA tank
-Empire Reloader B hopper

It works really fricking well. A couple of notes. The Vibe is exactly the same as the SP-1 on the inside, and the A-5 is exactly the same as the X-7 on the inside. One of the really neat things about the Ion is the Eye. Idk if u have heard of it. Prolly not if ur new to paintball, but wat it is is an "eye" in the chamber of your gun that senses when paint is loaded in the chamber and wont fire if there is no paint. This means that you break almost no paint. I have never broken a single ball inside my Ion.

P.S.- Watever you get make sure u get a Compressed Air tank. Co2 will turn into liquid inside your gun and screw over your internals. Plus you lose fps and acuuracy when the barrel gets cold.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 06:47 AM

Something light and cheap! (a 98c at the minimum, doesn't require much maintenance and you can pwn if you use good enough paint!)

The whole CQB (close quarters battle) aspect doesn't even matter unless you're playing at a field with scenario buildings and such.

Oh, and what the rest of those guys said above me! :P
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Posted 02 August 2008 - 11:56 AM

I have always thought if money was an issue with starting players, just go on eBay for a used Tippmann or Ion. Great markers to start with.
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