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#1 User is offline   MAD KLOWN 

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Posted 09 December 2006 - 04:24 PM

I'd like to start imposing the surrender option. Now, when I play, I don't scream or whine when I get hit, but I can only take so much. I was the nearly the last person left in a fort, and this guy ran up, with an A-5 with an E-Trigger on full auto, and he literally hit me from only 5 feet away. A friend and I were yelling at them not to bunker the fort, that if they get in the fort, offer the option and we'll take it, this was befor the incident. Now, this hurt, but this is why I'd like to inforce the surrender option, and 15ft distance rule. Any thoughts/ideas/stories?
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Posted 09 December 2006 - 04:40 PM

If that's what you want to enforce, simply state so before the game.
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Posted 09 December 2006 - 06:00 PM

At the field i work at (and run sometimes) we enforce a manditory 10ft surrender rule, just so that stuff like that doesnt happen. 'Cause i know i Dont like getting torn appart from close range.
The only exception to this is if we are playing speedball and ALL players for the game are ok with allowing bunkering.
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 09:18 AM

Yes I try to use a surrender policy, unfortunatly I hit just as much as I make surrender. Some people relize, others just pray and spray. That has happened often. I know what its like to get hit within 10'. I've gotten to the point of no surrender, kill or be killed. :o The little ^&%$#*(!!!


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Posted 10 December 2006 - 10:25 AM

I come from a cynical, less optimistic point of view towards most other paintball players. That's my disclaimer for some pretty controversial stuff about to come in this post....


In open play I've been to, the majority will not surrender. They will fight to the death no matter the field rules. The field owners always say "10 foot rule" but nobody ever obeys it unless a ref is standing right there. Consequently, when I play, I tend to not offer surrender because I know a very small number will actually take it. I'm generous by aiming for a hard item (hopper, mask, pods) so it'll minimize any possible pain, but I don't offer a surrender. There are exceptions of course... players I know that are upstanding in character who would accept or offer one if our roles were reversed.

As for the receiving end, if someone offers me a legit surrender, I will. I recognize they were polite and I should be too. However, I found that I have only been asked to surrender once in my entire almost 5 years now with the sport.

As a whole though, I don't see surrender as a useful option, because no one really honors it. Maybe it's just a geographic thing and I'm seeing the wrong kind of players.
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 10:52 AM

Very hard to implement. If I get close to someone, and yell, "You're out", I think they have to surrender since I'm in 10 feet of them. Well, they'll turn around and shoot me. Our field rule is you have to raise your gun above your head to show you are out. Anyone who wants to surrender, has to hold his gun up in the air, or they get shot.
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 12:35 PM

20 foot rule at our home field with a few 'buts' and 'ifs'

under 20 feet, yell surrender - if they dont or try to shoot back, let them have it

the frowns are happening when the person yelling surrender gets lit up for trying to be brave or somthing and then starts yelling!

i always point out that if they wernt in a position to shoot them if they were not going to immediately surrender, you should not have yelled it or got that close - hell even take a few paces backwards and carefully shoot! just dont yell it if you are not 100% sure its going to work out



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the above happened to a somewhat new player who was (unfortunatly) already on the downward slope of paintball morals (yelling, swearing, threats when shot out, etc) and he unsuccessfully tried to surrender a team mate!

next round i was doing some serious flanking when he opened fire after silently watching me walk for quite a few seconds (he was VERY well hidden and in the middle of nowhere)

his justifiation was that because his surrender failed that time before, he was just going to shoot anyone in similar camoflauge at any range

he remained unrepentant the whole day (and i even caught him playing on), but is it the rules making it unsafe or the players?
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 12:41 PM

I think a big problem is "yelling" surrender. With guns popping and masks on, you can't hear everything. There has to be a visible signal such as putting up both hands or your gun. People think if they yell, they are heard, and then if they are just walking off, may get shot again since they aren't yelling after 5 seconds. Those out should hold their hands or gun up above their head until they are out of the field of play.
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Posted 10 December 2006 - 12:53 PM

Your typical surrender option should sound something like this:

10 feet or less, mercy him.

If his guns aimed at you, or he has the capability to aim at you and make a snap-shot, shoot him.

If his back is turned to you, either barrel tag him, or mercy him.

If he does anything but scratch his butt and put his gun in the air saying, I'm out, good game, etc.; shoot him.

If you choose to shoot close range due to certain circumstances, try to shoot in a less painful spot (back, mask, hopper, gun, foot, etc.)

If you are having problems with close shooting, tell a ref or a nearby authoritie (counter guy, owner...not police man) and get the problem solved.

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Posted 12 December 2006 - 05:36 PM

At our field, when someone is shot out, you put both your gun and hands in the air, and barrel plug/condom (dont allow plugs at our field) on, and simply walk off. But I, personally, like the idea of aiming at something hard, Thallion. We have a regular member, who organizes the woods games, and he explicitly explains everything you should know when playing, and includes no bunkering, no ramping/full auto, 15 ft rule, and surrender option. But I also haven't seen the option used or offered, so I maybe it's better to just shoot at a hard object when in range instead of offering the option and still giving the other guy a chance to get you.

This post has been edited by MAD KLOWN: 12 December 2006 - 05:36 PM

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Posted 17 December 2006 - 12:00 PM

At our field, we play a 15ft rule. If they shoot you anyways, they sit out for one game!
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Posted 17 December 2006 - 12:08 PM

I wouldnt surrender, i'd just take the hits no matter how many there are.

just grab a white flag and wave it in their face, maybe they wont shoot.
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Posted 17 December 2006 - 02:59 PM

I really dislike the attitude of "I never surrender", because if you won't surrender, odds are you would never offer it as an option. There's been a lot of times when I find myself in a situation where taking a point blank shot is simply unacceptable.

I don't yell surrender anymore, I ask people politely or I tell them they will surrender. Nothing is a better motivator to give it up than a hand on your shoulder, a barrel in your kidney, and someone saying "Walk away quietly."

And if you're too proud to know when you're done, someone not as polite as me will make your pride hurt.

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Posted 17 December 2006 - 03:14 PM

Surrender rule just seems to make the game safer, also a ton nicer to the new players. Especially the new ones who are younger and a tad bit scared of being shot.

If you turn around and shoot someone when they have the drop on you...I personally find that being a tad bit of a jerk, but that's just me.

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Posted 17 December 2006 - 03:25 PM

^^^^That's why I put myself behind some sort of cover with an open shot to them and then tell them to surrender

This post has been edited by noobiekilla: 17 December 2006 - 03:26 PM

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