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Poll: Paintball: "Fake War" or not? (56 member(s) have cast votes)

Is paintball "Fake War"

  1. Yes (9 votes [16.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.36%

  2. No (46 votes [83.64%])

    Percentage of vote: 83.64%

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Post icon  Posted 13 August 2009 - 01:18 PM

Well today in a class some of my friends and some other got into debate about whether or not paintball is "Fake War" or not. I for one tried to explain every way I could to them that it is not, but they still was convinced and said things like "You run around and shoot stuff, with a fake gun" I even went as far to explain to them that they aren't "guns" they are markers, and there is so much more to it than just shooting, I even showed them some speedball and some video's from the SPPL but was still arguing against me.

So what I'm asking is that you vote yes or no, and explain why you voted for what you did so I can show others.

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 01:26 PM

Hate to break it to you, but nearly EVERY game is based in war, chess being a classic example.

Does that make the players warmongers? HELL NO!

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 01:27 PM

The part I was just trying to point out to them is that paintball isn't something Violante, or destructive as they where trying to put it off to be.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 01:28 PM

If youre playing a scenario it is in the common sense, but paintball as a whole is just another game of capture the flag.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 01:29 PM

Yes and no...
Paintball is a big sport & there are many ways to play the game...some of which could certainly be considered "wargames".
If events like OK D-Day arent warlike, then I dont know what is.


When non-players ask me about things like this, I usually explain that paintball isnt really one game at all , but several very different games that all happen to use the same basic kinds of equipment, with some variations that do indeed resemble combat but others that are closer to hockey ot lacrosse (being played in an artificial envirionment with brightly colored team uniforms & cheering crowds.

Paintball is whatever kind of game you want it to be.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 01:38 PM

I think Stuntman's answer is one of the better ones I've seen to this recurring question.

It is and it isn't; it all depends.

However, as Puz said, many accepted games are fake war. From games like chess or risk (or many other strategy board games), to video and computer games (strategy, resource management, and FPS games), to any number of other things entirely.

Like war, paintball draws out a lot of the teamwork/camaraderie among the members who partake in the activity. However, the similarity tends to end about there.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 01:47 PM

What is paintball? Grown up hide-and-go-tag.

Ask your friends about Killer Croquet.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 03:18 PM

Depends on how you want to use the definition of 'war'

as a general term with people running about and shooting at each other? sure, but then 'warlike' can describe dodgeball, laser tag, and airsoft (the last is a given, as airsoft is deliberately very mil-sim). as a technical term, where it derives it's origins from war or wargaming? no. Remember the origins of paintball were as a 'survival game' not a war game. This isn't true of chess (strategy), go (same), Track and field (Physical capabilities), Fencing (duh), any martial art (again, duh), monopoly? (corporate warfare, which is arguably more brutal than the real deal)

Then there's the term 'fake' war, which sounds like a high school hippie kid term, really. Fake war? no, it's not even close enough to the real thing to qualify as a 'fake' war. we, as paintballers, experience none of the dehumanizing horror of the real thing. we don't deal with Ambushes that turn half our comrades into bloody piles of meat, we never have to bodybag the charred remains of anyone, never see dismembered corpses, And don't have to deal with the very real possibility that this may be our last day on earth in a very real way. We don't cope with years of seperation from family and loved ones back home (or ever deal with 'dear john' letters on the field).

In not so many words? Paintball is as much fake war as a videogame.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 03:27 PM

Remember, the first paintball game was about survival, not war.
War is just about the most abhorrent thing humans have ever come up with, and seeking to emulate it in any way is the sign of a sick mind.

Paintball is a game, not real life. Any combat veteran knows the difference.
All games, whether played on a board, a field, or a computer screen, are about competition in some form. Against yourself or others, individually or part of a team the object is to win the game.
Ever lost the game? I have many times.
Ever won the game? Feels good, don't it?

It's natural to enjoy that feeling, and we strive to get more of it.
We're not at war, we just want to be on the winning team. And paintball offers that to a wider target market than most outdoor activities. Young, old, male, female, or handicapped playing speedball or scenario, rec or tourney can get some of that.
I've played dressed as a pink poodle. How "warlike" is that?
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 04:36 PM

The world would be a happier place if War was like paintball. You get hit your out and 10 minutes later the horn sounds and everyone back in and alive. ;)

The first paintball game was about survival, but isn't war in a personal sense about surviving? And Wars were fought long before guns were introduced. You don't need a projectile to kill a man, it just makes it easier. I believe that the rules for paintball preclude it from being an useful substitute for actual field experience. Though the military is trying to use it. :panzer: In paintball I can't hit you with the stock of my rifle until you stop twitching. Sneak up behind you and slit your throat with a knife. Nor could I shoot you from a mile away, ect. We do have rules setup to facilitate this, Barrel tagging, but anyone who's been in a knife fight knows "Just because you got the drop on the other guy doesn't mean you'll win the fight." I love my grandpa :happy: . Are war and paintball similar, yes. Is everyone playing paintball training for war, no.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 05:35 PM

I voted yes because IMO ... it is.

You are on a team trying to eliminate the other team by rushing and flanking and bunkering down. Assault and Defend. You are using tactics BASED on warfare, dressed in BDU's, ghillie suites or whatever shooting at each other. But ... it sure is fun!
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 05:54 PM

Puzuma has it right. Pretty much every sport and game involves war and is meant to show our superiority to others.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 07:04 PM

I think its funny how you showed them Speedball videos, and they still though it was "war like" :P

I don't think the airball aspect is "war-like". I think its more of hide-and-go-seek-tag

Woods/Scenario Ball could be considered "war-like" if anything. A lot of wars were fought outside, using natural vegetation as cover, and buildings. And so are a lot of paintball games...
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Posted 14 August 2009 - 07:32 PM

No it isn't fake war at all, its way more than just shooting things, ESPECIALLY if your playing a scenario game! Paintball is not fake war, it simulates war, thats why the millitary uses paintball to train for combat. People who have never played paintball should play just to know what it REALLY is, again, especially a scenario game. In Scenarios people get put into rolls as commanders, squad leaders, and footsoldiers all doing there part to achieve a common goal, thats as close as ur gonna get to simmulated war as a civilian.
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Posted 14 August 2009 - 09:19 PM

View PostMinnesota Sn1p3r, on Aug 14 2009, 10:32 PM, said:

Paintball is not fake war, it simulates war


Erm...

Speedball is not any more warlike then a game of dodgeball, scenario games on the other hand, can be much more warlike.
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