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Posted 05 November 2004 - 11:07 AM

DO NOT purchase a Real Action Marker. I bought one and was very seriously dissappointed by it. Intially I was very impressed by the realism of the thing, but performance was non-existant. Additionaly the customer service of RAP4.com who sells them is poor at best.

The appearance is great, but performane is minimal. I never got to test mine for accuracy or range, because the company shipped me one with a .43 barrel and .40 caliber paint. (I had ordered the marker in .40) However dry firing the marker was difficult at best as it produced many faliures to fire or run away firing sessions.

Additionally the magazines are crap. One of the two I odered broke within 1 hour of coming out of the box. It has a spring inside coiled around a guide wire, and the guide wire broke after being compressed and realeased two or three times.

If you go to the RAP4 forums you will find as many people posting about crappy performance, if not more than those who sing its praise. As for the problems with the order, I was told by RAP4 to ship the wrong items back to them at my cost, and they would replace them. I had already paid a hefty shipping cost to get it in the first place. :D

Overall the RAM is a nice concept, but has way too many performance issues to be used for field or woods play. Their customer serivice is horrible, and most fields will not let you play with markers that are not .68 caliber. Again DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON THIS MARKER.
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Posted 05 November 2004 - 12:19 PM

Gunfighter,

Thanks for sharing your experience! We at specialops have not yet tested that marker. Funny thing is we ordered a couple FOR testing and we never got them and never bothered to follow up.

Anybody else have experience with these markers?
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Posted 09 November 2004 - 08:40 AM

That does not suprise me at all. Their customer service is very bad. Just look at their forums and you will see this for yourself. My personal suggestion is to get an AT-4 or a Tippman A-5.
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Post icon  Posted 10 November 2004 - 11:31 AM

Hi gunfighter, what name do you have at rap4.com's forums now. Dont listen to this guy he has been banned from the rap4 forums many times. Not because of his opinion but because he cusses at everyone, respects no one or their opinions and posts garbage on their forum. I dont know if he really has owned one or why he is so mad at rap4 but he has been making a living trying to trash them. Maybe hes from a competitor?? I'm new to this forum but I saw him recognised him and didnt appeciate what hes doing. I just posted a review in this section about the new rap4 LE. Whats funny is some of what he mentions about are related to the first versions of these markers. First of all let me say that the accuracy and range wasnt acceptable with the first versions and suffered many ball breaks. The first version of these markers released was the Version 3 series, this refers to the markers core, the actual launching unit of the gun. It seems the first version for sale in the US was the version 3(full auto only), apparently the manufacturer had already made 2 previous ones. Even this V3 had problems, range and accuracy was good out to 50ft that it, it also had ball breakage issues. Next a V4 was released(semi, full auto) this V4 series improved on the previous generations. Range and accuracy were increased but the ball breakage issues were still there. Well just in the last couple months the latest V4 LE was released. The LE stands for Law Enforcement, as this version was only available to the police and military. This version had a much improved core, actually sealing the chamber from where the paintball is launched now losing no co2 from each shot. This gives the marker more power, now capable of shooting 400fps. This increased the range alot of the previous version. The manufacture also took note of the community that had begun to make custom barrels for the previous versions. This elimanted the ball breakage issue as this was being cause by the ball entering the barrel and breaking on the lip. The manufacture now had produced a barrel better than any of tha barrels on the market, custom or otherwise. So these barrels solved tha ball breakage, accuracy, and added even more range in addition to the new core with the sealed chamber. These improments with this new LE version has now put the performance in the range of a Tippman A5. I have owned all three versions of these markers, the reason I stuck with the markers is that they are the most realistic 1:1 scale markers. I didnt like ugly hoppers on my gun. When I saw these I had to have one. I upgraded my older version markers with new barrels and custom parts to increase the performance. But when this new LE version came out that only the LE community and military had access to I knew It must be alot better. I bought one right off. I was very impressed with the new version. I use this marker in games with tippmans 98's, A5's, and angels and I can compete with this marker. Yeah you only have 21 rounds a mag, but I carry 11 mags on double mag clamps so I can get off 42 shots really fast. Than I gotta get a new clip. But I like the challenge and the realism of reloading. Nothings nicer than taking a guy out with a 200 round hopper with a couple well placed shots, or a clip on full auto ;) These markers are also very strong sturdy and waterproof. I have had the same v4 for a year, my brother a v3, and my cousin a v4. We havent had any problems with parts breaking, we have all used the same mags for over a year without any problems. And Gunfighter has stated at rap4 that he had a v3 or a v4. He hasnt had any aftermarket parts for those version or owned the new LE version. This version is flawless. I wouldnt trade my rap4 for any other marker. It performs just as well and looks so realstic. These markers are attention getters on the field. Everyone wants you on their team. :D And the customer service at rap4 is great and thats the overall opinion. I'm sure they might have messed up a thing or two but hasnt every company at some point and time? The key thing is that they will take care of you and correct the problems with no hassle. And you just cant knock off these markers because of the flaws of the first versions. Do you think the first Tippman was flawless, NO, it had to be improved upon. How old is tippman now 20-30 years, these markers are a little over a year old and have already improved alot in this short time. They have a M4, M16, SR16, MP5, and glock pistol already out. With probably the ak47 next and the m9 berreta pistol. These markers are here to stay and will just get better and better :D
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Posted 10 November 2004 - 11:51 AM

Lets be honest GUNFIGHTER9 you were a frequent user of the RAP4 forums. No one liked you you caused all kids of problems. I however did like you and had no problems with you speaking your peace..After all it is America! That said, people need a Good ,Honest and Fair review. Not an opinion from someone who has a bone to pick.

As far as Real Action markers go they have improved greatly over the past year. Quality control is up, after market mfg.s are stepping in and making it even better than before. Who remembers the original Auto Mag Classic, although awosome in its own right the stock barrel or even the upgraded crown point barrel had much to be desired. You had to get compressed air for it to work up to tourney specs ect.

The RAP4 although not to be compared to Automags (Apples/Oranges) first version was full auto due to the fact it was full auto accuracy was not as good as it could be, but alas what a concept.

RAP4 got with APS and relayed the US Paintball markets needs and desires and viol'a a 40 cal version was born accuracy was refined yet not perfect. Not resting on thier past accomplishments RAP4 and APS came out with a Semi auto select fire version the fact that you could single fire this marker made all the difference in the world. As with the REAL M4 Semi auto is much more accurate.

Now RAP4 getting really involved in the paintball senario aspect decided accuracy was not the markers fault but rather the paint mfg's so RAP4 got with the oldest paintball company in the world (Insert Nelson paint co here) and had a US version of the 43 cal made spesifically for RAMS.

Thus far this has been a wonderful marriage with the additon of the LE version (LE =more power and accuracy) better parts basically a true RAM.

I received the new and improved GLock last night and will attempt to post a review soon it uses 12 grams and for the 9 rounds I shot last night seemed powerful and accurate. More to come.

About myself I have been paintballing since 1990, NPPL ect I am currently serving as a US Army Drill Sergeant and came across RAMs due to the fact Uncle Sam likes to impliment new training schemes. I stepped in and have trained countless hardcore non shooting typs with my RAM M4 using rubber rounds made available to me or any law enforcement agency by RAP4.

Sure I am a little biased but this is a true and honest assesment of the RAM M4..


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Posted 10 November 2004 - 12:01 PM

Welcome Mogley and DSA to the SpecialOps forums!

No matter how great (or crappy) a product is there is somebody who will always have an experience that is not what the company intended. I do appreciate gunfighter9 sharing his opinion though. I am curious... what promoters currenly allow those type of markers in play? We attended 5 events last year (4 of which are major events) and none allowed this marker. We have not yet had a person bring one up to our SpecialOps field but we would be more than happy to let them play with it as long as they chrono under 300 fps.
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Posted 10 November 2004 - 12:10 PM

I know many people who say that the Rap products are not good and not to buy them.... I have no idea who this gunfighter dude is. but im with him and specialops ... who allows them?..i dont think anyone does around here. Also the feeding mechanism is not good. it looks great but thats it.
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Posted 10 November 2004 - 07:06 PM

Well if you can bring your own paint, usually those fields allow them. But if you have to buy theirs than they wont have the .43 cal. Alot of the player who like milsim paintball and realistic markers dont really play on fields so theres no rules about paint. What do you mean the feeding mechansim isnt good. Its a real spring loaded mag just like a real m4 or m16/ar15, they work flawless.
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Posted 10 November 2004 - 11:25 PM

What velocity do they shoot best at? How are the ballistics in comparison to an .68? How often do they bounce as compared to break? Bottom line I need to get one in and test it.... follow up on our order that we placed months ago! But from the sounds of it I am glad we did not get an earlier version. Thanks for the info Mogley keep it coming!
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Posted 11 November 2004 - 12:51 AM

Ballistics is a bit different the ball is very lite in weight. You could shoot one of these 350 and it shoot fast as heck but without the weight you really need to play RAM vs RAM. I have played RAM vs 68 many times but I have no choice but to get real close. I play at Challenge Park they have no problems with the 43 cal paint. Sure they are a bit different but they do work very well. If you like Counter Strike style play then the RAM is your deal. 68 Cal markers will always have an advantage but thats part of the fun now isnt it.
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Posted 11 November 2004 - 01:29 PM

Well DS you are right about the V4 like you use and what I also have, but the new LE m4 really comes a long way compared to the V4, you really need your wife to get you one, haha :) It has brought the range and accuracy to that of a tippman marker, and the new nelson .43 doesnt have a problem breaking. The previous types of paint made by other manufactures wasnt that good. Than Rap4 got with nelson to male a high quality paintball by one of the oldest manufactures in the world. And now they LE shots 400fps so it really puts more uumpphh behind the ball gives it 100ft flatline shooting with excellent accuracy. And there is also a marker that rap4 sells called the T16, this marker is a 68 cal marker made to resemble a m4, not as much as the 1:1 scale ram's but it shoots a .43 cal paintball at 500fps. I havent shot one of these but I bet the flatline range is really far. So the only real advantage to the .68 cal markers is the hoppers (unless they are true milsim and use the 20,30,50 round hoppers) but there are c-mags in the works that should hold around a 100 rounds. That would really take away any advantage that the 68 cals have. Also my new Rap17 EX LE should arrive today, I will let you know how it works. DSA had one of the original glocks, and just got a EX version, the 3rd gen, but the one im getting is the 4th gen the LE version, which still isnt available to the public yet like the Rap4 M4 LE has already been available. Did they send you a LE version since your still active duty DSA? I hope to get a MP5 LE soon to test also :)
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Posted 11 November 2004 - 09:27 PM

http://www.btlinc.us...AP17EXVideo.mpg

Link to my new RAP17EX testing nothing fancy. But you see it in action.
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Posted 12 November 2004 - 08:36 AM

Yes welcome mog, and DSA. Your points are very impressive, I'm a jerk so my review of that product is wrong. Typical Rap4 mentality, but I don't think your going to find a sympathetic audience here my freinds. You see not everyone in the world is so obsessed about looking cool. Some people actually demand some level of performance as well. Pure and simple the RAM will not out perform a .68 ball. Even if it did no one allows them, and while you may want to play in the woods with your buddies not every one does. Just seems like a real bad idea to go running around the boon docks with what appears to be a real firearm. As I stated in my review the RAM has top notch realism, but thats it. If anyone doubts me, then by all means go ahead and buy one for yourself, but when you realise that you got taken, you can't say you weren't warned.

Here's a good question, why is it when you hear about range and accuracy testing on a ram its always at 50 ft or less. I have looked at numerous reviews of the AT-4 and they all talk of range and accuracy out to 90+ ft. Simple fact if you can hit them at greater range then you will win unless you really screw up.

One last thing, even if you disregard my experience, ask yourself this. How mad will you be when you order from RAP4, and you get the wrong items, and they tell you ship it back at your expense?

p.s. The trouble that DSA and mog refer to are post I made defending myself against a myriad of personal attacks by many of the members of that forum. These posts were made after several pleas to the administrators of that forum to enforce their own guidelines. Well they finally did, but only after I fought back, and I was the only one disciplined. Do I have a bone to pick? Your damn right. Wouldn't you after you spent $600 for a marker that couldn't shoot beyond 50 ft?
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Posted 12 November 2004 - 10:03 AM

GF, CAN YOU READ??? I keep having to answer the same things over and over on this and all the other forums that you keep posting this??? Or do you just try not to read them because you dont want to hear the truth??Well most paintball is played in the woods, paintball started there, and most players are rec players who play in the woods. It can be used at fields across the US, just look at the field map on rap4.com. I have used mine www.nashvillepaintball.com without a problem, so is this statement of yours true "Even if it did no one allows them", most certainly not. I play with my rams for over the last year almost every sunday, I play in the woods, milsim style vs players with modded A5's, 98's, and an angel. I dont know how well it performs vs an at-4, but I can say that it is on the same range and accuracy level as an A5. I can get 90+ ft flatline accuract with the LE. As I keep saying again and again, You owned one of the first ever of these markers, they are a little over a year old. But somehow you seem to know for a fact how the latest LE versions perform. You have never owned one so all your statements should read this at the first " the following statements I will make are based on the older first version of these markers" then you could say whatever you want and it would actually be true, try it GF and no one will argue with that. But you try to make everyone think you know about the latest versions. Go buy the first ever ATS from whatever year and enjoy its flaws. DSA, I think maybe I should make a collection of all the posts he has made at every different forum about these markers. It would really ruin his credibility. This guy goes forum hopping, and review hopping posting about these markers, everytime saying how bad they are. You are right about the shipping the wrong product and you having to pay the return postage. I dont know if rap4 did that or not, if they did they shouldnt have.
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Posted 13 November 2004 - 12:13 PM

Mog you have made your points, you have had your say. There is no reason to try to attack me on a personal level. If you believe in the ram so much perhaps you should return to the rap4 forum and sing its praises there. Much of what you are saying is that you condone the idea of playing renegade games in the woods that are not suppervised or chronographed. If you want to then by all means go ahead. Your own listing of ram friendly fields only lists a total of 12 or 13 fields that allow them. Your own review of the ram is only out to 50ft and that is with the latest greates model. Take a look at the review of the ram in the NOV '03 issue of APG Magazine. It states pretty clearly in there that the ram produced a number of bouncers on hard targets past 60 ft especially at velocities lower than 300 fps. So are you saying that in order to get the performance people want they should disregard the nationally recognized safety limit of 300 fps? Is that your point? Because frankly I don't see any new information except that you are angry at me for speaking my mind about my experience.
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