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#1 User is offline   Tyger 

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Posted 11 May 2011 - 10:00 PM



So, yeah. Needed to get this off my chest.

And I know this is going to start arguments, bring it. I got all weekend and asbestos underwear.

And yes, I know my left arm looks derpy. It's injured, won't bend or straighten, and no insurance to see a doctor + I owe a hospital a few grand as it is. So if I can deal with a lame arm, you can too.

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Posted 11 May 2011 - 10:26 PM

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Posted 11 May 2011 - 10:29 PM

Video doesn't play...says its set to private. :(
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Posted 11 May 2011 - 10:59 PM

dang it. So much for the SO "first peek". Sorry guys. It'll be live, hopefully, in 10 minutes or so. I didn't anticipate being home to upload it, so I put it on a timer, and it won't let me "untimer" it.
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Posted 12 May 2011 - 12:24 AM

Fixed...nice rant.
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Posted 12 May 2011 - 06:50 AM

that is SOOOO TRUE...

I play paintball, it is awesome, the guys I play with are super cool, and I have NEVER had a guy go off on another with a profanity laced tirade. That is because we play with honor and integrity. And it is my OWN PRIVATE FIELD... Invitation ONLY to get into a Trails of Doom event.

If you get hit, you are out. None of this "quarter sized paintsplotch" where one guy busts out a ruler. HIT, OUT. No refs. You want to cheat... You won't be invited back. I've only had to talk to ONE player in the 5 years I've been running events. We can all see if you cheat, it really is that obvious.

Simple.

Paint doesn't break... Doesn't matter, they hit you, you are out. You know when you get hit, elinating the fussing about if the ball broke or not just makes is so much more enjoyable. (and lets the poorer guys bring their walmart paint and still PLAY instead of staying HOME, which with their household budget, and Obamanomics... they can't afford to pay $50 for a case of paint!)

My games are fall, winter, and spring. So my field is done until fall... But, I feel like playing again. I have paint and air left over, and I'm dying to use my new HD with ZOOM camera.

But, at the back of my mind, I KNOW I will face the jerks if I go to a public field...

You know the ones, they are there every single weekend. They cheat constantly (I even have video footage of them cheating) and they don't care. The refs never kick them out, and they ruin the fun for other players that don't cheat. A few of my guys have gone but they all say the same thing... So they rarely if ever go now.

It just gets OLD. Why be like that? Does it really make you feel better to get hit, over and over with paint running down your shirt and then say "No one even saw me I was so awesome...".

Ahem, you might want to wipe off the 20 paintballs broken all over your front and back... Guess blind firing works, huh...




What is the solution?...

WE have to hold people around us to a higher standard. WE have to call ourselves out when hit. WE have to take the higher road to make sure we are following the rules, and letting OTHERS have a great time on the field of play. If you see someone being abusive, get a ref and point it out. If you see someone cheating, call them out.

If that paintball hits your foot... And it was from really, really, far away... It still is a hit. You are out.

Be accountable to the sport you are playing.
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Posted 12 May 2011 - 06:13 PM

Waivers are not the "be all--end all" of legal protection.

First, any waiver signed by anyone under the age of 18 is probably invalid because of the minimum age required to legally enter into a contract. (Age may vary by location but y'all get the point.)

Second, if waivers provided the epitome of field owner protection, insurance wouldn't be necessary. Yet we have paintball field insurance . . . why do you think that is? Because a good semi-decent lawyer can beat them, that's why. (Even when the person signing is of sufficient age to do so legally.) So field owners and other players don't just have to avoid doing anything egregiously wrong like Tyger mentioned but also have to worry about someone, or someone's parent, getting their shorts in a bunch and suing for a perfectly legitimate action on the field as well.
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Posted 13 May 2011 - 05:53 PM

players being responsible for their own actions is very VERY much so a important mentality and feature which all people would like to say they have, But its not "paint ball players being responsible" its "PEOPLE being responsible" if you think they act like dicks on a paint ball field you can be sure they are the same everywhere else.

paint ball or not, taking responsibility is something we are told to do in grade 1, if you don't have it down by the time your ten chances are its going to be a long haul for you.

I beleive the better rant would be: People are idiots, now lets all try and be better. with a honest try.






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Posted 13 May 2011 - 09:40 PM

i left the sport for a few years and only just got back into it a few weeks ago for this reason alone. alot of people have no integrity. ive seen speed ballers cut into rental groups and light up kids under 15 years old. way to scare off people from the sport. on more than one occasion i have helped people i didn't even know look for equipment stolen off their tables while out in the field. it seems that alot of jerks play paintball and the worst part is being a sadist on the field is recession proof.
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Posted 14 May 2011 - 09:56 AM

Waivers are only intended as liability mitigation for field owners, and only for what would be considered normal or reasonable damages, loss, or injuries. If field onwership, management, or employees allow or condone activities or behavior that are negligent of safety precautions or normal safe play, their waiver does not protect them from a lawsuit. For example, when you visit an amusement park, there's a waiver posted at the gate, or even on the back of your pass that LIMITS the parks liability for damages, loss, or injuries, but if they are not maintaining their equipment properly to ensure it is operating safely, or employees operating equipment have not been properly trained, and someone is injured, they are not protected from a lawsuit for their negligence. So while a waiver may protect the field from a player suing for a broken arm incurred when he slid behind a bunker, the waiver doesn't protect the field from a lawsuit if an employee throws a lit cigarette into a garbage can, a fire starts, and players are injured attempting to escape due to obstructed fire exits. Another example would be if the field built a structure, and during the course of normal play, the structure collapsed. A waiver would not protect the field because there is a reasonable expectation that the field maintain structures and equipment to safe standards.

Furthermore, any waiver signed by a player limits liability for the field, not player from player. If two players get into a physical altercation, the field is not responsible for any broken noses or lost teeth, but the player suffering the loss or injury is still entitled under the law to seek recovery of his loss or damages, and the person inflicting the injury may be subject to arrest and criminal prosecution if the attack was considered assault. In addition, while it may be common for players to receive a few bonus balls here or there, and a player may be reasonably be expected to assume that risk, if an adult player corners a juvenile player and unloads an entire hopper on said juvenile with the intent of inflicting pain or injury, that's assault because the injuries weren't received in the reasonable course of a game. The paintballs weren't simply intended to mark the player out, but to injure. No criminal conduct between players is protected or excused by a waiver. That accountability exists regardless of any waivers or field policies.

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