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#1 User is offline   Ninja Jones 

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Posted 25 July 2007 - 10:40 PM

So, when I have been working, 2 fights have almost started, and I mean drop the guns and slug it out kinda fights. These aren't tourney players or speedballers, these are rec players, usually renting.

Now I'm a kinda mellow guy, and I don't really feel like jumping into a barrage of paint, or fists, but I also don't want people lighting each other up, or beating each other up while theyre on the field, and I honestly don't know what to do about it. I'm not very loud, and I'm not a very good negotiator either.

Here's the most recent scenario I encountered:
2 guys come into the deadbox, talking about how somebody was cheating, at this point I don't know who was cheating, or how they were cheating, or if they were even cheating at all. So the "accused" as I will call him, goes past the deadbox on a ridge overlooking the area, and the 2 who were complaining get there gear and masks and run up to him, and before I can get my mask on, both of them are lighting him up, the accused is on his back, trying to block his head and face.
I run out of the deadbox, in the middle of the 2 parties (accused, accusers (2)), not quite in the middle, (I don't carry a shield or towel) and I tell them to stop, they're not listening, theyre both shouting obscenities back and forth. I recognize the accused as someone who was in an earlier game, shooting people talking to me outside the deadbox. They stopped, shout at each other, and eventually part ways.
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Posted 26 July 2007 - 01:10 AM

I'm a mellow guy too but althought I've never broken up any fights at a paintball field, I think I would've grabbed their markers and escourted them to the field owner. If they didnt comply, tell them your going to call the authorities with assalt charges. They definetly woulda been kicked for the day.

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Posted 26 July 2007 - 08:07 AM

That would have warranted immediate ejection from the field. If I were the owner I would also ask them not to come back.

Some times you can't prevent these things, only punish people for them. It's sad that people can be this immature, but that's life.

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Posted 26 July 2007 - 08:18 AM

I am also a mellow guy but as a ref its your job to protect every person at that field and disopline those who don't follow the rules, I'm sorry but you acted poorly by not acting kind of like the teracher who just stands there and yells at 2 kids beating the crap out of eachother. You should have either A) Gotten between the shorters and the victim or :dodgy: Grabbed their barrels and put them in the dirt. After all is said and done the police also should have been notified and those 2 escorted off the field. Either way just standing their yelling at them to stop is not the way to stop an assualt of any kind. If you're not willing to do that then sit behind the counter instead of reffing.
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Posted 26 July 2007 - 08:26 AM

Armory, I dont think you need to bash the kid. I would have been just as shocked and a little worried/scared myself. Think about it. Your a ref with no protection or anything and here are two kids lighting up one other kid. Other than trying to get them to stop by yelling at them or even put there barrels into the ground. could just make you a target as well, and with nothing to protect you. Your screwed. So NINJA JONES, I would have probably done the same exact thing as you, and I'm sorry you were put in that position.
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Posted 26 July 2007 - 08:40 AM

First, people have to have a clear understanding that you are not a fight referee...fights should not be tolerated and people should be aware that any fights will result in field ejection of involved parties because you don't have the bandwidth to ref games and personal squabbles at the same time...right from the start of play. If people do get into a fight, you should ALWAYS call for field backup first, then see if you can break the fight up, maybe get some assistance from another player if things get hairy while you're waiting on backup. If people are really out of control, and/or someone gets seriously hurt, it's time for field management to call the 5-0.
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Posted 26 July 2007 - 09:21 AM

Well, here's coming from a player's point of view: it's usually caused by someone who doesn't deserve to play paintball anyways.

I almost got in a fight playing speedball once. It was down to me and another guy, and I called myself out when I ran out of air, but while I was walking off the field, he runs after me and shoots me eight times in the back, and it was clearly no accident. The ref had already yelled "Game!" and I was already half way off the field. I threw my gun down (no harm, it was a Tippy) and pushed him to the ground and was about to jump on him but two refs were already holding me back.

Point is, I was being an idiot; I should have let it go and laughed when he got kicked from the field. But nevertheless, some people just should not be holding a paintball marker, and they are the ones that usually cause fights.
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Posted 26 July 2007 - 10:58 AM

View PostPhilipp122, on Jul 26 2007, 12:21 PM, said:

Well, here's coming from a player's point of view: it's usually caused by someone who doesn't deserve to play paintball anyways.

I almost got in a fight playing speedball once. It was down to me and another guy, and I called myself out when I ran out of air, but while I was walking off the field, he runs after me and shoots me eight times in the back, and it was clearly no accident. The ref had already yelled "Game!" and I was already half way off the field. I threw my gun down (no harm, it was a Tippy) and pushed him to the ground and was about to jump on him but two refs were already holding me back.

Point is, I was being an idiot; I should have let it go and laughed when he got kicked from the field. But nevertheless, some people just should not be holding a paintball marker, and they are the ones that usually cause fights.


So your saying you shouldn't be playing paintball? There is no excuse for this type of behavior. It might sound harsh but its the truth. In a sport where so many things can go wrong by a few stupid moves certain things cannot be tolerated at all. If people get into a fight, tell them to stop, threaten to call the police. If they don't leave the field, call the police. Problem solved.
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Posted 26 July 2007 - 12:18 PM

No, I'm saying the other guy shouldn't be playing paintball. I wouldn't jump on him now; that was a few years ago. I'm just saying that most fights in paintball are caused by someone on the field who is just plain stupid.
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Posted 29 July 2007 - 02:18 AM

View PostNinja Jones, on Jul 26 2007, 01:40 AM, said:

So, when I have been working, 2 fights have almost started, and I mean drop the guns and slug it out kinda fights. These aren't tourney players or speedballers, these are rec players, usually renting.

Now I'm a kinda mellow guy, and I don't really feel like jumping into a barrage of paint, or fists, but I also don't want people lighting each other up, or beating each other up while theyre on the field, and I honestly don't know what to do about it. I'm not very loud, and I'm not a very good negotiator either.

Here's the most recent scenario I encountered:
2 guys come into the deadbox, talking about how somebody was cheating, at this point I don't know who was cheating, or how they were cheating, or if they were even cheating at all. So the "accused" as I will call him, goes past the deadbox on a ridge overlooking the area, and the 2 who were complaining get there gear and masks and run up to him, and before I can get my mask on, both of them are lighting him up, the accused is on his back, trying to block his head and face.
I run out of the deadbox, in the middle of the 2 parties (accused, accusers (2)), not quite in the middle, (I don't carry a shield or towel) and I tell them to stop, they're not listening, theyre both shouting obscenities back and forth. I recognize the accused as someone who was in an earlier game, shooting people talking to me outside the deadbox. They stopped, shout at each other, and eventually part ways.



These two idiots would have had their markers removed from them rather forcefully and rather quickly. Their hands too if they werent carefull. These two would be advised in a not so nice manner to never step foot on the property again. Deputies would be contacted as needed.

I dont like fights. I dont like being in one. But when reffing, I see it as my job to end a fight quickly and if lucky, with out hurting anyone. Normally with my size, I dont have to tell someone to stop something more then once.

We have only had a couple times people got hot tempered. Two was the same team. We know to watch them. Good guys, but just hot tempered. You get to know how to calm people down if your around them enough. One other incident was airsoft players (we do air soft scenarios) car got hit with a paintball. He said someone did it on purpose, but what happened was rounds hit the top of an air ball bunker and went over the net. They were told not to park there. And then wanted to start crap with one of our sponsored team members. And this aint the guy you want to TINKLE off. He is big and looks very mean. Nice guy of course, but still you dont want to TINKLE him off. But it was one of those instances that the owner or manager gets to take that one. We just need to calm the situation and get them started in the direction of the store so they can discuss it calmly with the right people. Luckily the sponsored team guys are all refs and know how to keep their cool.

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Posted 02 August 2007 - 06:03 PM

Well, what I would do and my advice are two different things. I'm a fairly big guy who has no problem wading into a fight and grabbing a couple morons by the back of their gear, and hauling them bodily to their vehicles. If that's not your style, my recommendation is to throw the lawsuit issue out there. You still have to be assertive; you're a ref, this is your job. But instead of getting physical, let them know in no uncertain terms that if they throw hands they leave in a squad car.
Also, I'm highly in favor of a temporary ban. You fight, you're out for a month, till you calm down. If it repeats and causes further problems, you're out for good.
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Posted 08 August 2007 - 02:41 PM

guys ran out on to the field, out of the dead box? to shoot someone when they were lieing on the ground?
life time suspenctcion at the very least, an prolobly call the cops if they do not comply
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