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Posted 31 March 2008 - 10:09 AM

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After using the ADCO Sure Shot ($30) sight for almost a year I wasn't very impressed with it. I was impressed when I first got it, but it soon became apparent that it was a very cheap sight. When I got a broad-side hit to the sight it held up just fine, but I got ambushed from behind and I got a break on the back corner of the sight. I cleaned up the sight with some water and I noticed that the lens had cracked. I had gotten a little water inside the tube now and the lens fogged up inside. When the condensation dried out there was a scummy residue inside that caused the red dot to blur and the sight deemed completely useless in low light do to the very bright light inside the tube that now reflected off the rear lens that had the dirty film on it. I decided to send the sight back to ADCO with $8 for a replacement. Then I started shopping for a new sight.

After looking at a couple of $50-$80 sights I got a deal on the NcSTAR D4B Tactical 4 Reticle Red Dot Holographic sight from milsimproducts.com, I know... I should be supporting Special Ops, but when I can get the same sight that Special Ops sells for $85 at only $50… it's was too good of an offer to pass up (I did buy my APEX from Special Ops so I did make up for it). Oh! And milsimproducts.com has the best help/support I have ever dealt with. I corresponded via email with John Ramalho, and he was the nicest and most friendly representative I have ever corresponded with. Special Ops customer support is nice, but Mil Sim's customer support blew me away.

On with the review, I ordered the sight on a Wednesday evening and I was absolutely shocked when the mail lady dropped off my package on Friday morning. I opened it up and pulled the sight out of the box. When I opened it I instantly noticed this sights quality was far better than my ADCO Sure shot. This sight came in a padded box, and included; the sight, a lens cloth, Allen wrench, mini screw driver, instructions, warranty info, & two batteries (one in the sight & one spare). Compare it to my ADCO that just came with the sight, a battery, and instructions (instruction not shown).

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The moment I had the sight out of the box I grabbed my A-5 and tried to attach the sight. I found that the sight would not fit on my A-5's rail. I was a little disappointed until I remembered that this sight is actually made for firearms with a weaver or picitany rail. The problem with the A-5 is that the small upper rail is in the way for the sights front screw. I'm sure you could use a dremel to cut a notch for the screw to fit through, but I'm not one to go chopping away at my stuff, so I bought the Tippmann/Special Ops A-5 Flattop Rail from Special Ops.

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I did a side by side comparison of the NcSTAR and the ADCO. I found that the NcSTAR is better in every way. It gives you a lower profile because it doesn't have the long tube body. It's a little wider than the ADCO which gives you a larger field of view. I found that with the ADCO I would throw the gun up to my shoulder and be able to look through the ADCO, but I would always have to search for my target because of the small field of view. The NcSTAR fixes that problem, with its 33mm lens, tubeless design, and 15.7m field of view @100m I am able to instantly find my target, and take it out very fast.

The other great features the NcSTAR has over the ADCO are:
  • 33mm lens – vs. – 25.4mm lens
  • 7 brightness settings – vs. – 2 brightness settings
  • 4 reticle patterns (1-crosshairs w/circle, 2-large circle around small dot, 3-small dot, 4-crosshairs w/small dot ) – vs. – 1 (medium dot)
  • Comes with a sight cover – vs. – none
  • Extra battery – vs. – none
Reticle patterns:
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With its 33mm lens the NcSTAR provides a wider field of view than the ADCO, allowing you to find your target a lot quicker.

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Using the sight is very easy, just pull off the lens cover, select the brightness with the rotating disk on top, and pick you're reticle with the selector on the back. Just remember to turn off the sight when you're finished using it, or your batteries will die on you.

Taking the sight out to the range:
When my Flattop Rail arrived I attached the sight to it without any problems. There are three set screws that tighten the rail onto the marker. Then the NcSTAR sight slips on and tightens down with two allen screws on the left side. I went down to my woods to sight it in and unlike the ADCO that requires a screwdriver to adjust, the NcSTAR just requires that same allen wrench. To adjust the sight vertically you twist the allen screw on the top; twist it counter clockwise to lower your dot, causing your paintballs to shoot higher. Twist the allen screw on the left side counter clockwise to move the dot to the left, causing your paintballs to go right.

Whenever you sight in any type of optics you want to make sure you're shooting at the same velocity every time, this means you will need a chronograph nearby in order to get a reading. You also want to make sure that your air tank is full before sighting it in. I sighted my sight in at 75ft because when I used my ADCO I could hit a man sized target 9 out of 10 times at 75ft and at 50ft my marker shoots 8 inches high. If I'm 100ft away from my target my marker shoots about 1 and 1/2ft short when sighted in at 75ft. These adjustments are very easy to estimate, allowing me a highly accurate first shot at my target.

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Using the sight in a real game:
I went to play at MN Pro Paintball on April 5th 2008. While I was there I tried to put the NcStar D4B Tactical 4 Reticle Red Dot Holographic sight through as many possible shooting scenarios that one might encounter during a game. Some Scenarios are; shooting from the prone, kneeling, & standing position, leaning around a bunker in the natural and off-hand position, snap shooting, longballing, etc…

I found that I was able to use the sight effectively out to about 100-120 feet. I was using the reticle that had the little dot inside the big circle, and I sighted the dot in at 50 feet, and the bottom of the big circle at 75 feet. The sight was the most effective in Civil War. We all lined up and estimated we were between 50-75 feet, so I aimed for center mass. When I fired I found out I was standing at 75 feet because the ball dropped to the bottom of the big circle and hit the guy square in the crotch, but it bounced! The guy started jumping around and on my next shot I got the guy out with a shot to the mask. After that I was able to shoot the next two guys I aimed at in the mask. The last round I was the only guy left on my side vs. 12 and the ref said I got to shots so I decided to go for two guys. Ref-“Three…two…one…FIRE!!” I googged another player and my second shot glanced off the second guys arm. To my surprise [and great relief] I was only hit by one ball out of the 12 that came cruising my way.

The Woodsball Field was very wet, although not very muddy as nobody had been on the field yet this year. I was crawling through the water and sneaking up behind people (nobody expects some guy to come crawling through the water) and a couple time someone would see me and start shooting at me. Their paintballs would usually hit the water and splash water on the sight but nothing worse than a couple splashes of water. The closest I come to getting a hit on the sight was a hit to the hopper that broke on the hopper and ricocheted onto my goggles bursting paint onto the back of the sight. When the game was done I used some bottled water to rinse it off with, and used the lens clothe that came with it to dry it off. When all of that was said and done it was as clean as it was when it was new. Every-so-often I would get some water or paint splatter, but I could always keep using the sight, nothing ever completely impaired my vision.

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The absolutely best thing about this sight is its warranty. The NcSTAR D4B Tactical 4 Reticle Red Dot Holographic Sights warranty looks like this:

"All NcSTAR scopes and binoculars are guaranteed to be free from original manufacturer defects in material and/or workmanship under normal use for the life of the scope. If a defect occurs during that period, new century sci. & tech., inc. at its option will either repair, or replace the product.

New Century values your business and always strives to provide the best in customer service. That is why we back our products 100%."- NcSTAR

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"However, my rep has told me not to worry about the language for their warranty and stated that they get sights in from all Iraq all the time that are full of sand. He said they just repair them and send them out."- John Ramalho

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"To answer your question about the warranty I don't care what the scenario is if the scope is damaged upon receiving it or if it falls of a building ten stories high send it back with a receipt or some type of proof of purchase and you will not get a refurbished scope you will get a brand new scope!"- NcSTAR Representative


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Therefore if your sight get's hit by a paintball and breaks just send it in with enough money to cover return postage and you should get a new sight.

The only negative that I can think of is that on really bright days the red dot can be a little hard to find right away when the sun is shining on the lens, but I play in mostly dens woodland so the sun isn't a problem with me anyway. I usually play with the brightness level at 4 or 5 because otherwise the red dot gets blurry from over brightening.

This post has been edited by KRA SHARPSHOOTER: 07 April 2008 - 07:17 AM


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Posted 02 April 2008 - 05:11 PM

Excellent review and excellent pictures. I absolutely love how you've shown the sight as you would actually look through it. Very nicely done review and it is helping me choose an optic for my X7. I found a Yukon SM13003C Reflex Sight in camouflage. Its essentially the same thing, only it has a 45mm lens instead of 30/33, and its shockproof and waterproof. I'm sniper so my sight really matters. I want a fast one but one that can take a beating since I'm going to be on the ground alot. Thank man! Once again Excellent review.

Attached are the pictures of my sights to choose from.

The Reflex is a Yukon Advanced Optics SM13003C Red Dot Reflex with 4 Different Reticle Patterns (as shown, and retail a $100 sight), and the tube is an NcStar DTB4 Red Dot with 4 reticle patterns as well (retail $90). Both cost about $50. and both are from [post="www.opticsforyou.com"]Optics For You website[/post], which I've found to give considerable discounts over Special Ops as well (Free UPS on both offered by the website as well).

Check my thread, "X7 Sniper" in the Sniper HQ for more information!

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Posted 02 April 2008 - 07:20 PM

As I stated in your other thread, I would recommend the Yukon because you have a larger field of view, it will be easier to clean, it's waterproof, and it a smaller profile when looking at it from the side.

Good luck on your X7.

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 01:33 AM

i was thinking about getting that NcStar but wasnt sure how the sun would affect the dot since it is open tube. But too late i bought a closed tube already.
Btw nice review. :laugh:

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Posted 05 April 2008 - 09:12 AM

Good review. Really usefull for me...
I was actually looking to buy a sight and was thinking of the SureShot and this one. I guess you made my choice :laugh:.

You playing with it at the field today... how was it?
Does the battery lasted you all day?
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Posted 05 April 2008 - 06:53 PM

im pretty sure the battery lasted him all day.
Nice review

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 07:20 AM

UPDATED for: Using the sight in a real game:

View PostLt.SKINp, on Apr 5 2008, 11:12 AM, said:

You playing with it at the field today... how was it?
Does the battery lasted you all day?


The battery easily lasted all day. I would think that since my Sure Shot lasted a whole year without changing a battery that this sight would last at least a couple months as long as you shot it off after each game.

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Posted 07 April 2008 - 09:03 PM

sound like a excellent sight. I think that I will get this sight for the next sight that I'll get.
Again nice review.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 07:44 PM

View PostCheapo, on Apr 2 2008, 05:11 PM, said:

Excellent review and excellent pictures. I absolutely love how you've shown the sight as you would actually look through it. Very nicely done review and it is helping me choose an optic for my X7. I found a Yukon SM13003C Reflex Sight in camouflage. Its essentially the same thing, only it has a 45mm lens instead of 30/33, and its shockproof and waterproof. I'm sniper so my sight really matters. I want a fast one but one that can take a beating since I'm going to be on the ground alot. Thank man! Once again Excellent review.

Attached are the pictures of my sights to choose from.

The Reflex is a Yukon Advanced Optics SM13003C Red Dot Reflex with 4 Different Reticle Patterns (as shown, and retail a $100 sight), and the tube is an NcStar DTB4 Red Dot with 4 reticle patterns as well (retail $90). Both cost about $50. and both are from [post="www.opticsforyou.com"]Optics For You website[/post], which I've found to give considerable discounts over Special Ops as well (Free UPS on both offered by the website as well).

Check my thread, "X7 Sniper" in the Sniper HQ for more information!


Wow, that Yukon looks identical to the NC Star! Wow, lol. The NC Star comes in camo patterns like that as well. I wonder if they make it for Yukon or something.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 07:55 PM

Is a sight really worth the money, i mean are you really going to have the time to sight a target, and shoot before they notice you.Or is a sight mainly for snipers who have the time to line up there target, without being spotted?

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Posted 01 May 2008 - 04:30 AM

View Postoutlaw-master, on Apr 30 2008, 09:55 PM, said:

Is a sight really worth the money, i mean are you really going to have the time to sight a target, and shoot before they notice you.Or is a sight mainly for snipers who have the time to line up there target, without being spotted?

It really depends on how you play. I find it very useful to have a sight on my gun. I am a stalking/ambush person, and with the ability to take out an opposing player with one shot 90% of the time out to 100 feet, I find that I can usually get through a whole game with half a hopper load of paint. On the other hand, if you're more of a spray and pray person like my friend Zach, you probably don't need a sight. Zach just shoots & shoots at you never looking down the guns barrel, he just watches where the paint is going. Zach could probably go through 3 hopper loads in a game easy if he had a pod pack. :) 1 out of 3 games he surrenders because he's out of paint.

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