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#46 User is offline   Iron__Man 

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 04:24 PM

hand to hand with a zombie is one of the worst mistakes you could make. they are stronger than a person because they do not get tired, and feel no pain. not to mention, if just one bite, or one drop of blood splatter can transmit the virus, distance is your best defense. granted a sword or machete is a good last resort weapon, but if it comes to hand to hand, you'd be better off running for your life. besides, even with a sword, you WILL get tired in a short amount of time, even with the adrenaline. try going out into your yard and trimming some bushes with just straight swordplay. time yourself. at best you have 10-15 minutes of good swings in you before you can just stand and catch your breath.

i am trained in judo, ninjitsu ( to shin do), and wrestling. i wouldnt use any of it on a zombie. i'd rather use bullets, fire, barricades, and my working human brain. :dodgy:
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Posted 19 October 2009 - 04:51 PM

Well I figured it was a given that when I said hand to hand I meant with a weapon. I do seem to remember mentioning a poleaxe which has a 7' long handle. What if you are out of ammo, your zippo is empty, you are out in a field, and on the ground is a long handled farm tool? I guess you could impale yourself on it.

And you are running on a lot of unproven assumptions since ZOMBIES DON'T EXIST YET. You may as well ask what would you do if aliens attack? Well I would run to the retirement home and steal grandmas record player. Because her music makes aliens heads explode...oh wait, that was made up in someones head, much like this entire thread. You have no idea what preparations to make because you have no idea what is coming. You load up on all these guns and ammo just to find the zombies are animated (meaning they have no life). Shoot them all you want, they keep coming, blow them up, cut them up, the pieces keep coming. Seems to me the guy with the flamethrower is gonna win that battle.

Aside from the basics, shelter, food/water, transportation, etc.. further planning is an act in futility.

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hand to hand with a zombie is one of the worst mistakes you could make. they are stronger than a person because they do not get tired, and feel no pain. not to mention, if just one bite, or one drop of blood splatter can transmit the virus
stated like it is fact. Maybe I say the zombies are slow and shambling and only dangerous in packs, impervious to bullets, and the only way to kill them is to cut them into pieces and burn them.

NYAA

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 05:27 PM

What about a blimp? I mean, its practicaly i floating home... getting fuel could be a challenge as well as food and water, but at least youd be slightly safer....
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Posted 19 October 2009 - 06:56 PM

View PostGravdigr, on Oct 19 2009, 07:51 PM, said:

Well I figured it was a given that when I said hand to hand I meant with a weapon. I do seem to remember mentioning a poleaxe which has a 7' long handle. What if you are out of ammo, your zippo is empty, you are out in a field, and on the ground is a long handled farm tool? I guess you could impale yourself on it.

And you are running on a lot of unproven assumptions since ZOMBIES DON'T EXIST YET. You may as well ask what would you do if aliens attack? Well I would run to the retirement home and steal grandmas record player. Because her music makes aliens heads explode...oh wait, that was made up in someones head, much like this entire thread. You have no idea what preparations to make because you have no idea what is coming. You load up on all these guns and ammo just to find the zombies are animated (meaning they have no life). Shoot them all you want, they keep coming, blow them up, cut them up, the pieces keep coming. Seems to me the guy with the flamethrower is gonna win that battle.

Aside from the basics, shelter, food/water, transportation, etc.. further planning is an act in futility.

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hand to hand with a zombie is one of the worst mistakes you could make. they are stronger than a person because they do not get tired, and feel no pain. not to mention, if just one bite, or one drop of blood splatter can transmit the virus
stated like it is fact. Maybe I say the zombies are slow and shambling and only dangerous in packs, impervious to bullets, and the only way to kill them is to cut them into pieces and burn them.

NYAA


.. yet.. keyword. the reason we think about this stuff is so that if it DID happen, we would have some basis on which to survive with. nobobdy planned for the levees to break in louisiana, but they did, and look at what happened. now just imagine instead of water, the flood is a virus and a horde of infected people. the black plague worked very much the same way as the solanum virus, in its patterns of spreading, and death toll. it just involved fleas instead of just people. so...what about ebola.. just because the people who have it wont eat you doesnt mean exposure to an airborne strain like the movie outbreak cant kill you.

so if you want, go ahead, ignore it, nay say it all you want. just remember one thing, when the zombies bite you, just remember one thing, i told you so. and i'll use that nifty 7 foot pole of yours as firewood. :P

and as far as the aliens thing, well, WE'D HAVE TO MAKE SOME PARAMATERS LIKE WE DID EARLIER IN THIS THREAD.
i too seem to remember mentioning that... NYAA back to you sir.

the sky could reach down and choke you, but i would assume that's impossible unless there was a foreign agent in the air.
well, go ahead and use a 7 foot long pole. im sure you'll have a tremendously fast kill rate in that open field of yours, much less a parking garage, alley, in a grocery store aisle, parking lot, you know...

besides if the pieces keep coming at you, im sure you're screwed anyways. so why not just go with the flow? we established the parameters for this thread, now we're all under the understanding of the given situation i would think. they aren't crazy-hollywood- zombies, more or less an agreeable arrangement of circumstances and abilities. im sure we could argue that nuclear submarines will turn the continent into a sheet of glass to save the rest of the world, but where's the fun in that?
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Posted 19 October 2009 - 07:09 PM

if that was the case, you and the crew could turn off the nav system and randomly emerge close to shore and play the "which country turned piece of glass is this" game.... oh, and pick up some Grrrrrrreat souvinirs while you're at it...
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Posted 19 October 2009 - 07:54 PM

View PostPuzuma, on Oct 19 2009, 10:04 AM, said:

I read the Zombie Survival Guide last night. It has SOME decent info in it but it's only focused on one type of zombie.

I would strongly recommend you read All Flesh Must Be Eaten. While it is in fact a role playing game it covers and explains numerous zombie types, from the basic zombie (as described in ZSG) to more advanced versions.

While destroying the brain is most likely to kill a zombie there are other types that it will not affect. Some may require the spine to be severely damaged, some may need certain organs to be destroyed, some may only be killed with fire and in very rare cases they may have a secondary "brain" located elsewhere in the body, even more rare are ones without weak spots.

As for how they might move.... Slow and steady, life like or quick are most common. Less common are burrowers and leapers. The worst are the ones that lunge... shamble along until you get close enough then they put on the speed.

There's also a formula that helps calculate how long a zombie lives. Basically colder climates won't kill a zombie, it slows their decay rate, kind of like keeping meat in the fridge vs on the counter.

I agree that there are multiple different kinds of zombies, but I believe the "Max Brooks" zombie (as outlined in the Zombie Survival Guide in the Max Brooks universe), which is essentially a very refined form of the Romero zombie, is the most realistic (and my favorite).

Definitely the scariest zombie virus would be the various viruses from the Resident Evil universe. Iron Maidens, man, oh god oh god... *nightmare daydream... daymare?*
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Posted 19 October 2009 - 10:38 PM

You know the best place to be in a zombie invassion would be the tropics.

If you could get a sail boat, soem guns, fishing supplies, bleach, and diggy for inland food raids and fresh water collection (which is what the bleach is for) all you would have to do is sail around and let Mother Nature and her swarms of Zombie eating bacteria, molds, and fungi that thrive in the tropics do your dirty work for you.
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Posted 20 October 2009 - 08:16 AM

not to mention getting lost gilligan's island style with a couple o hot bettys' aint too shabby an idea either. tropical paradise anyone? :D
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Posted 20 October 2009 - 09:21 AM

View PostIron__Man, on Oct 20 2009, 09:16 AM, said:

not to mention getting lost gilligan's island style with a couple o hot bettys' aint too shabby an idea either. tropical paradise anyone? :huh:
yeha it wouldn't be too shabby until the zombies find the island and your hot betty turn into zombies and you boat sinks and obama becomes world ruler. and pigs start flying. and ben and jerry goes out of business. and the sky starts to fall. then my computer crashes and I have no milk for my cookies, so I got to buy some milk but I have no money, so I try and rob a bank so I have money to buy milk but its closed because it a national holiday. the arnold Schwarzenegger tells me to get in the choppa! because charlie is everywhere. so I get in the choppa and it gets shot down and I turn into a zombie and eat everybody.
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Posted 20 October 2009 - 03:01 PM

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 09:22 PM

The whole argument a few posts ago, I'm agreeing with Gravdigr. We have no evidence on "zombies" apart from the definition including hypnotism. There's no use preparing for what you're not positive will happen- in our fun little universe, I think a good rule is that if something CAN happen, it can happen. I'm not saying it WILL happen, but that it can... that was a really subtle difference, wow. :wacko:
So, I have this zombie survival guide. I admit it's a fun read. In the event of any "zombies" as described, it's a useful thing to have. But there's such a broad selection of possible scenarios that this one book, or any guide for that matter, probably won't be a lot of help. The stuff could be useful to know, but we only know what we can prove.

"1. all zombies are to be considered at LEAST as fast as a normal person
2. all zombies are to be considered at LEAST as strong as a normal person, BUT with no endurance limits."
I have an opinion about this, too (surprise!) - anything (situation/object/virus/broadly classified as a noun) can only expend or utilize the resources it has- say, in this case, a person infected with such a "virus"- I doubt they could suddenly have "superspeed" or could fly, if an uninfected organism could. I mean, it makes good games. But still, who's to decide without solid evidence of anything zombie-related what their abilities would be, or what even they would do? Would they use their organs, would they think, would they be hostile? Who knows? (Maybe the term is now specifically used to refer to a brain-hungry automaton, but that's not the point).

Anyway, thanks for listening to my ramble. Now comes the part when people usually either ignore me or ger annoyed at something I phrased wrong...
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Posted 20 October 2009 - 09:57 PM

There are two groups into "zombie survival" scenarios.

Preppers and survivalists that use it as an analogy for the worst case scenario. If you're ready for the Zompocalypse, you're ready for anything.

Teens and young men whom are either gullible or use the idea as a tool of mental masturbation for their egos.

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 11:26 PM

well, another way to look at it is a way to stretch your mental legs on decision making. and by that, i mean making a mental decision tree and following it through as far as you can. i used to teach survival classes, and one big thing you tech people is that little decisions can either help, or kill you in real survival situations. every little decision adds up, and the sum of those decisions can in fact lead to your demise in all sorts of situations. i like to use the zombie analog becaus eit offers a good bit of wiggle room to the equation. once you establish a few what if's, you can really run with it. it is in fact a great mental exercise to emphasize completeness and attention to detail of plans and so forth. it also is a good exercise to get yourself to focus.

honestly, i hope the zompocalypse never occurs, but if it did, and went full on dawn of the dead style, i have no illusions that it would mean nothing but killing, violence, death, and an overall sense of loss for anyone who survives. a sense of loss of the life that could and/or should have been, loss of loved ones and friends, and the loss of mankind's rule of the earth. it's pretty chilling to think that one day you might not be at the top of the food chain.
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Posted 22 October 2009 - 09:31 AM

Well, here are my ideas, I will cover what my load out is and then my survival plan. Assuming that blood/bodily fluids transfer the virus a survivor needs to be prepared for those close up situations. So here is what would carry at the beginning.
1. Mini 14, because I believe in accuracy and reliability.
2. Glock 22, I believe that is police issue, if not I would find the police issue version and keep it, it would mean lots of ammo readily available.
3. Goggles and a balaclava, it covers the mouth and eyes, so you blood cant get into your eyes or mouth and cause infection
4. kukri or some form of machete. Maybe a bat to cause massive trauma to an infected brain.
5. Leather gloves so if you get into an up close situation the zombie can't bite your hands.
6. Some sort of thick clothing like cordura reinforced bdu's. They have the Mandarin collar that flips up around your throat.
7. Large rucksack so I can carry extra food and water.
8. Of course I would also have my tac vest available.

Now my plan is to get as far north as possible in the long run, but in the short term I would try to just survive the initial outbreak. I live in the middle of nowhere, so it would take a bit for zombies to work their way from Austin to Drip. I might just try to get to Fort Hood and hold up there.

Grocery stores should be the last place you go at the dawn of outbreak, because everyone will be trying to get food and making noise which would attract zombies. Best wait till they get consumed and sneak in there a week later and take the food they tried to get. Also gun stores would be a bad place to go as bullets would be in high demand like food. So wait a bit. Even though it would be a fast way to travel, stay away from highways and popular roads, the panicked masses will try to use them to get away from infected areas and will be congested. So use back roads or just hoof it.

Every person with me will have a role. I would try to be a medium to long range specialist. Most of my group would be outfitted with shotguns of some sort and the rest would be marksmen if possible. I frown on full auto, because it uses up the finite ammo supply too quickly. So if everyone can shoot accurately we could sustain the supply for a long while.
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Posted 22 October 2009 - 01:52 PM

You do realize that Glocks in .40 S&W are the least reliable and most prone to failure, correct? The gun was designed around the 9mm, and a higher pressure round was dropped into the frame. Not a good combination, they are the most common Glock to experience reliability issues.

Second, because it's police issue? Do you expect the police to restock your ammunition? If so, I direct you to the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. The police seized weapons, not distributed ammunition. And worst comes to worst, if you find a (preferably dead) cop with some .40 on him, the pistol is likely still there too. Pick it up then.
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